you guys have been up to at your company? Do you want to give us just a general broad update? Right now we're in the middle of a beta of our Xenos Core 2.1, which is pretty exciting for us because it's the first time we've really done some aesthetically pleasing things in our interface. We worked on integrating our network monitoring data with Google Maps so you can actually see geographically where your failures are in your network or what status is in your network. So systems management is far from sexy, but when you have a little bit of eye candy in there, it's nice and it's more useful. To our earlier discussion about customization of the interface, we're working on sort of the drag and drop interface and ability to customize our dashboards versus previous versions where a predefined interface interface. So that's pretty exciting for us. We've gotten a lot of interest and lots of good feedback from our user community, our beta testers. And OSBC, when you and Bill and I talked, it seemed like you guys were, kind of unlike a couple of other people in the area, moving more into the sort of model CMDB sort of way of doing things. And I wonder, in that time, how has that worked out for you guys? Well, I think since that time, I think they've announced the new ITIL spec for CMDB version 3. And it's interesting because they're talking more about federated CMDB because the CMDB is sort of a unicorn, right? You're trying to collect all the information about your organization in one place. Right. And so that implies that one system is going to be doing that. And I don't think that's realistic. Because while Xenos has a very, very detailed view of the world, there may be small parts of your infrastructure you can't see. And having a federated CMDB is very, very interesting, I think, to a lot of people who already have existing systems. So you can
2:02pull it all together. So I think we get a lot of interest in that area. I think a lot of people we talk to about CMDB and ITIL and that stuff are still trying to digest what ITIL is and how they're going to apply it and what CMDB is. But having an option where your data structure is easily accessible makes it a lot more appealing. Do you guys work or think you would work with the CMDB Federation group to do things along that line? We'd be glad to. I think when you're a small company, being an active participant in a lot of those organizations, you have to be very selective about what you can do. Sure. I guess they take up a lot of time to get the perfection of the standards. Yeah. And it's complex stuff. It's consensus building and understanding how everybody's technology. And there's a lot of things I'd like to be participating in now that we just didn't have the cycles. John, you do a lot of Tivoli consulting. And do you come across CMDBs a whole lot? Yeah. I mean, it's white hot in the enterprise. I mean, everybody's talking about it. I mean, everybody's trying to build a strategy around it. In the IBM space, they have a product called TATAM, which is their discovery module. So it was from a collation acquisition they made where it's pretty interesting. It will actually go out and do kind of spidering discovery of your enterprise. You know, to kind of first go out and collect your basic port scans and then start building on top of that. And then go into your, you know, deep dive into like an Oracle database. And they built that all on a structured CMDB. They actually call it the CCMDB, configuration change management database. So yeah, I mean, the problem is, you know, in the big enterprise, unless you've got it from kind of the CIO level mandating it, there's a lot of false starts, I think. It's hard. And one of the things you talked about federated CMDB, you know, and this is why I've got to be a little bit cynical is that the problem with federated projects like that,
4:04where you get big, large vendors in there that actually are competitors, and they try to create this one simple standard. You know, in my experience over the last 25, 30 years of doing this stuff, I've never seen something like that really succeed. Particularly when you pull in large competitive like a BMC with HP and an IBM and say, "Okay, we're all going to hold hands and build this thing." It typically doesn't work that way. Well, thanks for spending this time. Thanks, KJ.