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Hey there, everybody. Welcome to Pivotal Conversations.

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This week, Dorman and I chat with our colleague, Michael Minella,

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who's the Director of Software Engineering here at Pivotal.

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He's going to tell us about mainframe modernization.

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He's going to make the case for it, and he's going to talk about what's the same

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and what's different between mainframe modernization

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and other modernization and transformation efforts.

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It's a really interesting episode. I hope you enjoy it.

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It's a Thursday. I woke up thinking, I really want to talk about mainframes today.

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And conveniently, we had this recording scheduled with Michael Minella,

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and he's recently given some talks about modernizing off of the mainframe.

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So just coincidence, pure coincidence, that here we are going to get insights direct from the source

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on modernizing off of mainframes.

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I can see your nose growing on the screen.

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You don't need to talk about my nose.

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Like, the whole point of being on a podcast is that I can have a face made for radio,

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and no one needs to know.

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So, okay.

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Well, like I was asking Michael right before we started recording,

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but basically, my big question,

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since we have had a lot of different discussions with folks in the, you know,

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systems integrator community, with end users who have been doing modernizations,

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there's lots of great stories out there.

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When it comes to the mainframe, what's different, right?

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There seems to be a lot of, you know, well-honed practices,

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like our app transformation team has some great exercises for identifying

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kind of the seams of a monolith and starting to break that apart.

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What changes about all that when you start to look at a mainframe application?

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So, that's a great question.

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There's a few different things.

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First of all, politics and emotions are typically a lot higher

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when it comes to mainframe modernization projects.

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I like to look at it as it's about 70% culture, politics, you know,

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that side of the sphere, 30% technical.

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Moving the stuff off the mainframe,

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there is a technical challenge on the mainframe that we can't solve

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in some other way these days.

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However, the politics and emotional baggage around that

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is infinitely higher than a normal decomposing the monolith style

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modernization project.

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Because when you think about it, if you're going to,

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let's say you're taking, you know, a legacy Java EE app

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and you want to modernize it, right?

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It's been run on WebSphere or something like that,

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or some app server, all the traditional type stuff, right?

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That same team, the same set of developers, for example,

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that are maintaining that application,

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they're still going to use very similar tools

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in their daily development cycle

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as they will once it's been modernized, right?

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If you take a Java EE app and convert it to Spring,

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you're still using the same IDEs,

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you're still using JNU for tests,

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you're still using, you know, you can even still use CICD

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and all those, the general,

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what you do from day to day isn't going to change.

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If you're a mainframe developer,

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if you're a COBOL developer,

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your world is going to be flipped upside down.

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Everything from every tool you use,

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you have to learn a new language,

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testing is different,

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just everything about it is very different.

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And that is a very intimidating thing to face.

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You know, you're talking about,

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okay, now is, not only is it from a,

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A, do I, can I learn this stuff?

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B, do I want to learn this stuff

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at whatever stage of my career I'm at?

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Is my company even going to support me

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relearning this stuff?

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Are they interested in retraining me?

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Are they interested in replacing me?

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You know, this, this is the kind of thinking

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that goes through when that happens.

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and like I said, the emotions run a lot higher

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on mainframe modernization projects.

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Politics also run a lot higher

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because the fact that this isn't just

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revamping your website,

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your public facing website, right?

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This isn't, you know,

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changing the style sheets on that kind of thing

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and just deploying it to a new platform.

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This is typically the crown jewels of your enterprise.

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So this is usually where the buck stops.

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So there's a lot more risk involved

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in these projects,

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or at least it's perceived that way.

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the idea that you're going to, you know,

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take what you've standardized on

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for 10, 20, 30 plus years,

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and all of a sudden change that,

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that's a very scary proposition for an enterprise.

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Let's take one small step back.

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What's the benefit of moving your applications

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off mainframe onto a modern platform?

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Why would you want to do that in the first place?

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Let's, let's kind of lay that out,

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the reasons you do it,

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and then we can get into a little bit more

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about how you do it and what's different about it.

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So I think of it as four different things

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as far as why you would do it.

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First is increased productivity.

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All the modern development frameworks

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and platforms allow you to iterate

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on these mainframe style batch applications

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in a much quicker way.

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from, you know, the modern platforms,

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all those things apply in the batch world.

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They apply to those mainframe workloads.

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you're paying, you know,

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you've leased a piece of hardware,

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you might be paying by CPU cycle.

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once your work,

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once your volume gets to a point

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where you can't meet SLAs,

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what do you do, buy a new mainframe?

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it's not a practical solution.

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you can scale much more dynamically.

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both from a initial cost,

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on-demand.

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you may need more processing.

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and repurpose it for something else

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if it's not being used.

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A lot of people don't think about security

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very much with,

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you know, on the mainframe.

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green screen,

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nobody's going to hack my mainframe

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kind of thing.

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if they were to get access

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it's probably game over.

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your crown jewels.

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is probably on the mainframe.

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doing work around hacking mainframes.

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called Evil Mainframe.

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that have been around.

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Phil Young.

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I'm going to butcher his last name.

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Rick Ansarud.

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I apologize if you listen to this

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and your last name butchered.

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have been going around

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to all the hacker conferences,

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DEF CON, Black Hat, et cetera,

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talking about how to hack mainframes.

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that this is some piece of hardware

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that is no longer penetratable

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is just not the case anymore.

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is reduced costs.

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So if you're not using it,

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you're not paying for it.

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with regards to development resources.

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fall into that decision.

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you're going to have to make a case

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for why you're going to do this.

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sound like that's the business case.

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That's, yep, pretty much.

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what's interesting is that

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what's not on that list

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is something you often hear,

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which is the,

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all the COBOL developers

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are retiring, right,

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in the next five to 10 years.

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and this kind of,

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a development wave of life

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working life.

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I've put that into

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both points one and four.

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and reduced cost.

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quicker on non-COBOL

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your enterprise more productive.

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you don't have a supply

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and demand imbalance.

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Yeah, exactly.

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that there isn't some,

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like, weird hipster revival

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of learning COBOL

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going on out there

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that's cropped up

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in the last five years

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that I just missed my radar

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that's like,

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beer,

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pour over coffee

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and COBOL.

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There is a project

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of a guy running

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COBOL on AWS Lambda.

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I'm not saying you should.

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two different important dynamics

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of the people side, right?

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about the technical side too

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but I'm just,

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on each of those.

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what's like kind of

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the different,

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like the way

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of approaching it

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for them that's like,

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listen,

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if you don't do this,

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here's what you're

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missing out on

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or here's what,

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you know,

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there's that kind of

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fallacy notion

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that some people have

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where it's like,

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oh,

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it's too risky

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to move this thing

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and it's like,

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but it's actually

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more risky

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to stay where you are.

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Like change always

302
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seems risky

303
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but you're not actually

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looking at it

305
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objectively

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against what you're

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currently doing.

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So same thing with,

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you know,

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if we look at the

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people side,

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folks who are,

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hey,

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I'd have to go learn

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a whole bunch

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of new tools.

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You can certainly

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lay out the opportunity

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of like,

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well,

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if you go learn

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a bunch of new tools,

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you're going to have

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a bunch of new

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opportunities

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but what's also

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the kind of downside

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for them to not do that?

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Well,

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I mean,

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one other thing though

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is a lot of developers

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when you say

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it's too risky

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to not move,

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that's usually

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a problem

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for people

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above the developer

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ranks.

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Right.

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I think that's probably

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kind of more

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the second point

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on the politics

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side of it

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00:11:00,540 --> 00:11:00,760
but,

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00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:01,700
you know,

349
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coming to the

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00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:03,080
developer

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00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:04,120
who,

352
00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:05,420
you know,

353
00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:07,200
one of the greater

354
00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:07,900
points of friction

355
00:11:07,900 --> 00:11:08,960
with the mainframe

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00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:09,540
modernization

357
00:11:09,540 --> 00:11:10,120
is that

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00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:11,340
a COBOL developer

359
00:11:11,340 --> 00:11:14,200
is really intimidated

360
00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:14,800
by the amount

361
00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:15,260
of change

362
00:11:15,260 --> 00:11:16,000
that they're facing.

363
00:11:16,980 --> 00:11:17,740
So what do you,

364
00:11:17,940 --> 00:11:19,080
how do you navigate

365
00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:19,760
around that?

366
00:11:20,020 --> 00:11:20,420
How do you,

367
00:11:20,560 --> 00:11:21,200
what have you seen

368
00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:22,160
work in terms of

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00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:22,720
bringing those people

370
00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:23,720
along?

371
00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:25,200
You know,

372
00:11:25,380 --> 00:11:26,820
that's a great way

373
00:11:26,820 --> 00:11:27,160
to put it

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00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:27,760
which is bring them

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00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:28,040
along.

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00:11:29,020 --> 00:11:29,180
You know,

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00:11:29,260 --> 00:11:30,680
you can look at this

378
00:11:30,680 --> 00:11:31,580
as you're going to

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00:11:31,580 --> 00:11:32,020
bring in an army

380
00:11:32,020 --> 00:11:32,520
of consultants

381
00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:33,540
to convert this

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00:11:33,540 --> 00:11:36,040
and the existing

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00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:36,820
developers are kind

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of left out in the cold

385
00:11:37,660 --> 00:11:39,340
and that's the way

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00:11:39,340 --> 00:11:40,100
they feel

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00:11:40,100 --> 00:11:41,140
that it's going to

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00:11:41,140 --> 00:11:41,400
happen

389
00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:43,220
but it's been

390
00:11:43,220 --> 00:11:43,640
my experience

391
00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:44,620
actually it can't

392
00:11:44,620 --> 00:11:45,280
happen that way

393
00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:46,460
for a couple reasons.

394
00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:47,140
Number one,

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00:11:48,140 --> 00:11:48,680
consultants leave

396
00:11:48,680 --> 00:11:49,280
so you kind of

397
00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:49,740
have to maintain

398
00:11:49,740 --> 00:11:50,260
the stuff going

399
00:11:50,260 --> 00:11:50,640
forward

400
00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:51,640
which implies

401
00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:52,280
that somebody's

402
00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:52,500
going to have

403
00:11:52,500 --> 00:11:53,080
to be retrained

404
00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:53,600
in,

405
00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:55,660
it's good business

406
00:11:55,660 --> 00:11:56,200
to retrain

407
00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:56,680
these people

408
00:11:56,680 --> 00:11:57,580
in these modern

409
00:11:57,580 --> 00:11:57,900
tools.

410
00:11:59,200 --> 00:11:59,980
The other thing

411
00:11:59,980 --> 00:12:00,520
though is

412
00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:01,280
a lot of these

413
00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:02,340
mainframe systems

414
00:12:02,340 --> 00:12:07,060
the history

415
00:12:07,060 --> 00:12:07,720
of them

416
00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:08,620
because they last

417
00:12:08,620 --> 00:12:09,180
for as long

418
00:12:09,180 --> 00:12:09,820
as they do

419
00:12:09,820 --> 00:12:11,220
there's a history

420
00:12:11,220 --> 00:12:12,080
in that code

421
00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:12,820
that only those

422
00:12:12,820 --> 00:12:13,560
developers know.

423
00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:15,200
the way

424
00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,200
mainframe systems

425
00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:17,940
are maintained

426
00:12:17,940 --> 00:12:18,400
is just

427
00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:19,020
fundamentally

428
00:12:19,020 --> 00:12:20,060
different than

429
00:12:20,060 --> 00:12:21,180
like a Java

430
00:12:21,180 --> 00:12:21,560
app.

431
00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:23,300
You'll see

432
00:12:23,300 --> 00:12:25,140
systems where

433
00:12:25,140 --> 00:12:25,840
you'll have

434
00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:26,640
a database

435
00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:27,180
column

436
00:12:27,180 --> 00:12:28,080
and you read

437
00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:29,060
in COBOL

438
00:12:29,060 --> 00:12:29,700
the data

439
00:12:29,700 --> 00:12:30,200
definition

440
00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:31,720
which lays

441
00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:32,140
out what

442
00:12:32,140 --> 00:12:33,620
that record

443
00:12:33,620 --> 00:12:34,100
format looks

444
00:12:34,100 --> 00:12:34,380
like

445
00:12:34,380 --> 00:12:36,400
and you'll

446
00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:36,740
talk to the

447
00:12:36,740 --> 00:12:37,400
developer that's

448
00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:37,920
maintaining that

449
00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:38,300
app and they'll

450
00:12:38,300 --> 00:12:38,600
be like

451
00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:39,540
oh this column

452
00:12:39,540 --> 00:12:40,100
over here

453
00:12:40,100 --> 00:12:40,900
column foo

454
00:12:40,900 --> 00:12:42,840
yeah that's

455
00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:43,300
for this

456
00:12:43,300 --> 00:12:43,880
that works

457
00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:44,380
the way

458
00:12:44,380 --> 00:12:44,880
that definition

459
00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:45,400
is for this

460
00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:45,720
case

461
00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:46,360
but remember

462
00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:46,620
there was

463
00:12:46,620 --> 00:12:46,980
that one

464
00:12:46,980 --> 00:12:47,620
deal five

465
00:12:47,620 --> 00:12:48,220
years ago

466
00:12:48,220 --> 00:12:48,800
where we had

467
00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:49,380
to satisfy

468
00:12:49,380 --> 00:12:49,720
this other

469
00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:50,020
customer

470
00:12:50,020 --> 00:12:50,320
we just

471
00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:50,680
recycled

472
00:12:50,680 --> 00:12:51,100
that column

473
00:12:51,100 --> 00:12:52,040
like that

474
00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:52,660
happens all

475
00:12:52,660 --> 00:12:53,180
the time

476
00:12:53,180 --> 00:12:54,320
and so the

477
00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:54,740
only way

478
00:12:54,740 --> 00:12:55,340
so you have

479
00:12:55,340 --> 00:12:55,620
to bring

480
00:12:55,620 --> 00:12:56,000
these guys

481
00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:56,400
along

482
00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:57,460
these developers

483
00:12:57,460 --> 00:12:57,840
along

484
00:12:57,840 --> 00:12:58,420
because they're

485
00:12:58,420 --> 00:12:58,760
the only ones

486
00:12:58,760 --> 00:12:59,040
that know

487
00:12:59,040 --> 00:12:59,560
this stuff

488
00:12:59,560 --> 00:13:01,020
they're the only

489
00:13:01,020 --> 00:13:01,620
ones that have

490
00:13:01,620 --> 00:13:02,240
that history

491
00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:03,620
that really

492
00:13:03,620 --> 00:13:04,260
is baked

493
00:13:04,260 --> 00:13:04,940
into the code

494
00:13:04,940 --> 00:13:06,620
Is there

495
00:13:06,620 --> 00:13:07,740
kind of a

496
00:13:07,740 --> 00:13:08,860
successful way

497
00:13:08,860 --> 00:13:09,280
that you've

498
00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:09,720
seen

499
00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,840
that process

500
00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:13,280
work

501
00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:13,660
like in

502
00:13:13,660 --> 00:13:14,320
terms of

503
00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:15,580
pairing them

504
00:13:15,580 --> 00:13:16,200
with some

505
00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:16,760
of the

506
00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:18,100
the developers

507
00:13:18,100 --> 00:13:18,960
who are more

508
00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:19,480
fluent in the

509
00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:20,240
modern tools

510
00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:21,780
and and have

511
00:13:21,780 --> 00:13:22,160
them kind of

512
00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:22,620
sitting side

513
00:13:22,620 --> 00:13:23,120
by side

514
00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:23,720
so the

515
00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:25,040
there's sort

516
00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:25,640
of knowledge

517
00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:26,340
flowing both

518
00:13:26,340 --> 00:13:26,800
ways

519
00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:27,920
or is it

520
00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:28,360
something else

521
00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:29,020
that works

522
00:13:29,020 --> 00:13:29,340
better

523
00:13:29,340 --> 00:13:31,600
nope pairing

524
00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:32,120
is actually a

525
00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:32,460
great way to

526
00:13:32,460 --> 00:13:32,640
do it

527
00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:33,380
I mean

528
00:13:33,380 --> 00:13:35,340
probably the

529
00:13:35,340 --> 00:13:35,780
most successful

530
00:13:35,780 --> 00:13:36,200
mainframe

531
00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:36,680
modernization

532
00:13:36,680 --> 00:13:37,200
project I can

533
00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:37,680
think of

534
00:13:37,680 --> 00:13:38,520
we did it

535
00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:39,140
as a two

536
00:13:39,140 --> 00:13:39,380
phased

537
00:13:39,380 --> 00:13:39,840
approach

538
00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:41,220
phase one

539
00:13:41,220 --> 00:13:41,740
while

540
00:13:41,740 --> 00:13:42,960
you know

541
00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:43,200
the people

542
00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:43,420
that were

543
00:13:43,420 --> 00:13:43,700
comfortable

544
00:13:43,700 --> 00:13:44,040
with the

545
00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:44,400
tools

546
00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:45,740
were busy

547
00:13:45,740 --> 00:13:45,960
in the

548
00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:46,340
architecture

549
00:13:46,340 --> 00:13:46,860
space

550
00:13:46,860 --> 00:13:47,300
and figuring

551
00:13:47,300 --> 00:13:47,840
out you know

552
00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:48,420
what this

553
00:13:48,420 --> 00:13:48,600
is going to

554
00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:48,840
look like

555
00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:49,060
in the new

556
00:13:49,060 --> 00:13:49,400
system

557
00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:50,320
we actually

558
00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:50,920
brought in

559
00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:51,760
consultants

560
00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:52,320
to go

561
00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:52,800
you know

562
00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:54,140
teach this

563
00:13:54,140 --> 00:13:55,000
team Java

564
00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:55,820
you know

565
00:13:55,820 --> 00:13:56,180
where does

566
00:13:56,180 --> 00:13:56,720
the semicolon

567
00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:57,040
go

568
00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:57,380
how do you

569
00:13:57,380 --> 00:13:57,540
do an

570
00:13:57,540 --> 00:13:57,880
if statement

571
00:13:57,880 --> 00:13:58,120
all that

572
00:13:58,120 --> 00:13:58,360
kind of

573
00:13:58,360 --> 00:13:58,700
you know

574
00:13:58,700 --> 00:13:59,360
basic

575
00:13:59,360 --> 00:13:59,940
language

576
00:13:59,940 --> 00:14:00,380
fundamentals

577
00:14:00,380 --> 00:14:01,520
we started

578
00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:01,840
off with

579
00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:02,100
that

580
00:14:02,100 --> 00:14:02,860
and then

581
00:14:02,860 --> 00:14:03,120
when it

582
00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:03,540
came time

583
00:14:03,540 --> 00:14:04,100
to actually

584
00:14:04,100 --> 00:14:05,060
start migrating

585
00:14:05,060 --> 00:14:06,060
the actual

586
00:14:06,060 --> 00:14:06,780
COBOL code

587
00:14:06,780 --> 00:14:07,860
that's when

588
00:14:07,860 --> 00:14:08,160
we started

589
00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:08,440
pairing

590
00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:09,940
okay

591
00:14:09,940 --> 00:14:10,560
and then

592
00:14:10,560 --> 00:14:11,140
so now

593
00:14:11,140 --> 00:14:11,740
like looking

594
00:14:11,740 --> 00:14:12,780
at the

595
00:14:12,780 --> 00:14:13,640
the second

596
00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:14,880
piece that

597
00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:15,460
you mentioned

598
00:14:15,460 --> 00:14:17,100
of the

599
00:14:17,100 --> 00:14:17,600
politics

600
00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:17,960
and kind

601
00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:18,600
of again

602
00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:19,520
a little bit

603
00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:20,320
more on the

604
00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:21,480
the business

605
00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:21,980
side

606
00:14:21,980 --> 00:14:22,660
the the

607
00:14:22,660 --> 00:14:23,320
higher pay

608
00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:23,760
grades

609
00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:24,280
if you will

610
00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:24,680
that are

611
00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:25,040
just

612
00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:25,960
they see

613
00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:26,260
this as

614
00:14:26,260 --> 00:14:26,640
risk

615
00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:27,140
how

616
00:14:27,140 --> 00:14:27,600
how have

617
00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:27,960
you seen

618
00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:28,280
that

619
00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:28,860
successfully

620
00:14:28,860 --> 00:14:29,400
navigated

621
00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:30,120
so

622
00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:31,940
I put

623
00:14:31,940 --> 00:14:32,260
it this

624
00:14:32,260 --> 00:14:32,580
way

625
00:14:32,580 --> 00:14:34,340
as you

626
00:14:34,340 --> 00:14:35,140
accelerate

627
00:14:35,140 --> 00:14:35,840
the front

628
00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:36,160
end of

629
00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:36,620
your business

630
00:14:36,620 --> 00:14:37,400
so whether

631
00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:37,860
that be

632
00:14:37,860 --> 00:14:38,980
apis

633
00:14:38,980 --> 00:14:39,580
apps

634
00:14:39,580 --> 00:14:40,980
all that

635
00:14:40,980 --> 00:14:41,400
all the

636
00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:41,980
externally

637
00:14:41,980 --> 00:14:42,520
facing

638
00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:42,960
stuff

639
00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:43,300
and even

640
00:14:43,300 --> 00:14:43,600
internally

641
00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:44,120
facing

642
00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:44,440
stuff

643
00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:45,120
but as

644
00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:45,520
you accelerate

645
00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:46,200
those parts

646
00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:46,420
of your

647
00:14:46,420 --> 00:14:46,800
business

648
00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:48,440
they eventually

649
00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:48,880
feed into

650
00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:49,160
your batch

651
00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:49,560
processing

652
00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:50,400
those things

653
00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:50,660
are still

654
00:14:50,660 --> 00:14:50,880
going to

655
00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:51,080
you're going

656
00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:51,260
to have

657
00:14:51,260 --> 00:14:51,460
to be able

658
00:14:51,460 --> 00:14:51,800
to iterate

659
00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:52,340
on those

660
00:14:52,340 --> 00:14:52,840
you're still

661
00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:53,080
going to have

662
00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:53,520
to keep

663
00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:54,260
those up

664
00:14:54,260 --> 00:14:54,920
with those

665
00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:55,220
other

666
00:14:55,220 --> 00:14:55,760
systems

667
00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:57,040
and you

668
00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:57,480
don't want

669
00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:58,140
that corner

670
00:14:58,140 --> 00:14:58,320
of your

671
00:14:58,320 --> 00:14:58,600
enterprise

672
00:14:58,600 --> 00:14:58,960
to be the

673
00:14:58,960 --> 00:14:59,440
bottlenecker

674
00:14:59,440 --> 00:14:59,900
or the

675
00:14:59,900 --> 00:15:00,360
anchor

676
00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:01,680
that you

677
00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:01,900
have to

678
00:15:01,900 --> 00:15:02,200
drag

679
00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:02,640
along

680
00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:03,160
you want

681
00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:03,400
those to

682
00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:03,480
be

683
00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:04,620
iterated

684
00:15:04,620 --> 00:15:05,060
on just

685
00:15:05,060 --> 00:15:05,580
as fast

686
00:15:05,580 --> 00:15:06,300
as those

687
00:15:06,300 --> 00:15:06,880
other systems

688
00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:07,760
and so

689
00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:08,220
by moving

690
00:15:08,220 --> 00:15:08,640
to a

691
00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:08,820
modern

692
00:15:08,820 --> 00:15:09,220
platform

693
00:15:09,220 --> 00:15:09,820
moving on

694
00:15:09,820 --> 00:15:10,660
to modern

695
00:15:10,660 --> 00:15:11,060
tooling

696
00:15:11,060 --> 00:15:12,280
that allows

697
00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:12,920
you to

698
00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:13,220
iterate

699
00:15:13,220 --> 00:15:13,840
faster

700
00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:15,280
with those

701
00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:15,720
back-end

702
00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:16,160
systems

703
00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:16,960
just as you

704
00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:17,280
can on

705
00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:17,660
your front-end

706
00:15:17,660 --> 00:15:18,080
systems

707
00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:19,380
yeah

708
00:15:19,380 --> 00:15:19,960
that's the

709
00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:20,420
that's the

710
00:15:20,420 --> 00:15:21,020
death star

711
00:15:21,020 --> 00:15:21,800
analogy

712
00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:22,620
which I

713
00:15:22,620 --> 00:15:23,080
didn't really

714
00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:24,220
know was

715
00:15:24,220 --> 00:15:24,860
you know

716
00:15:24,860 --> 00:15:25,180
pertaining

717
00:15:25,180 --> 00:15:25,800
also to

718
00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:26,300
mainframes

719
00:15:26,300 --> 00:15:26,600
I just

720
00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:26,820
think of

721
00:15:26,820 --> 00:15:27,260
any

722
00:15:27,260 --> 00:15:27,940
back-end

723
00:15:27,940 --> 00:15:28,460
system

724
00:15:28,460 --> 00:15:29,820
is like

725
00:15:29,820 --> 00:15:30,440
you know

726
00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:31,340
just doing

727
00:15:31,340 --> 00:15:32,100
some cool

728
00:15:32,100 --> 00:15:32,900
sexy front-end

729
00:15:32,900 --> 00:15:33,220
thing

730
00:15:33,220 --> 00:15:33,920
or a mobile

731
00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:35,100
app

732
00:15:35,100 --> 00:15:35,920
or something

733
00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:36,800
you've

734
00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:37,380
shot down

735
00:15:37,380 --> 00:15:37,820
some TIE

736
00:15:37,820 --> 00:15:38,140
fighters

737
00:15:38,140 --> 00:15:39,460
but you

738
00:15:39,460 --> 00:15:39,680
know

739
00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:40,280
you still

740
00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:40,540
have this

741
00:15:40,540 --> 00:15:40,800
looming

742
00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:41,360
death star

743
00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:41,980
that's gonna

744
00:15:41,980 --> 00:15:42,940
eventually

745
00:15:42,940 --> 00:15:43,980
just destroy

746
00:15:43,980 --> 00:15:44,420
your planet

747
00:15:44,420 --> 00:15:44,960
or something

748
00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:46,060
we watch a

749
00:15:46,060 --> 00:15:46,320
lot of

750
00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:46,860
Star Wars

751
00:15:46,860 --> 00:15:47,120
in my

752
00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:47,380
house

753
00:15:47,380 --> 00:15:47,840
also

754
00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,040
particularly

755
00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:50,440
episode

756
00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:50,980
six

757
00:15:50,980 --> 00:15:51,540
lately

758
00:15:51,540 --> 00:15:52,180
so

759
00:15:52,180 --> 00:15:52,780
yeah

760
00:15:52,780 --> 00:15:54,260
we're right

761
00:15:54,260 --> 00:15:54,480
in it

762
00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:54,700
with the

763
00:15:54,700 --> 00:15:55,100
death star

764
00:15:55,100 --> 00:15:56,060
oh no

765
00:15:56,060 --> 00:15:56,540
well so

766
00:15:56,540 --> 00:15:57,260
you know

767
00:15:57,260 --> 00:15:58,060
I feel

768
00:15:58,060 --> 00:15:58,440
like we've

769
00:15:58,440 --> 00:15:58,700
covered

770
00:15:58,700 --> 00:15:59,200
like the

771
00:15:59,200 --> 00:15:59,860
70%

772
00:15:59,860 --> 00:16:00,500
and you

773
00:16:00,500 --> 00:16:00,700
said

774
00:16:00,700 --> 00:16:01,100
then there's

775
00:16:01,100 --> 00:16:02,340
the 30%

776
00:16:02,340 --> 00:16:02,820
that is

777
00:16:02,820 --> 00:16:03,280
the technical

778
00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:03,640
side

779
00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:04,160
so you

780
00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:04,260
know

781
00:16:04,260 --> 00:16:04,700
now

782
00:16:04,700 --> 00:16:05,040
we've

783
00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:05,820
kind of

784
00:16:05,820 --> 00:16:06,420
aired out

785
00:16:06,420 --> 00:16:07,480
all that

786
00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:08,100
squishy

787
00:16:08,100 --> 00:16:08,600
stuff

788
00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:09,880
let's talk

789
00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:10,180
about the

790
00:16:10,180 --> 00:16:10,540
technology

791
00:16:10,540 --> 00:16:10,840
side

792
00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:11,200
what do

793
00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:11,580
you see

794
00:16:11,580 --> 00:16:11,940
that

795
00:16:11,940 --> 00:16:12,900
comes up

796
00:16:12,900 --> 00:16:13,180
again

797
00:16:13,180 --> 00:16:13,500
and again

798
00:16:13,500 --> 00:16:13,960
and again

799
00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:14,800
obviously

800
00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:15,080
you're

801
00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:15,240
kind of

802
00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:15,600
coming at

803
00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:15,740
this

804
00:16:15,740 --> 00:16:15,940
from

805
00:16:15,940 --> 00:16:16,280
the

806
00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:17,660
you know

807
00:16:17,660 --> 00:16:18,380
spring

808
00:16:18,380 --> 00:16:19,020
batch

809
00:16:19,020 --> 00:16:19,440
spring

810
00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:19,680
cloud

811
00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:20,180
task

812
00:16:20,180 --> 00:16:20,820
perspective

813
00:16:20,820 --> 00:16:21,280
and so

814
00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:21,400
I

815
00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:21,720
imagine

816
00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:21,980
that's

817
00:16:21,980 --> 00:16:22,120
going to

818
00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:22,480
be

819
00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:23,140
one of

820
00:16:23,140 --> 00:16:23,320
the

821
00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:23,920
technologies

822
00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:24,280
you see

823
00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:24,560
featured

824
00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:24,820
again

825
00:16:24,820 --> 00:16:25,180
and again

826
00:16:25,180 --> 00:16:26,100
why

827
00:16:26,100 --> 00:16:26,640
you know

828
00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:26,980
help us

829
00:16:26,980 --> 00:16:27,460
understand

830
00:16:27,460 --> 00:16:28,540
and is

831
00:16:28,540 --> 00:16:28,640
there

832
00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:28,820
anything

833
00:16:28,820 --> 00:16:29,120
else

834
00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:29,280
that

835
00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:29,420
kind

836
00:16:29,420 --> 00:16:29,620
of

837
00:16:29,620 --> 00:16:30,200
on

838
00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:30,340
the

839
00:16:30,340 --> 00:16:30,540
tech

840
00:16:30,540 --> 00:16:30,900
side

841
00:16:30,900 --> 00:16:31,720
you

842
00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:32,500
see

843
00:16:32,500 --> 00:16:32,780
as

844
00:16:32,780 --> 00:16:33,280
a

845
00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:33,600
pattern

846
00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:34,500
yeah

847
00:16:34,500 --> 00:16:35,240
so

848
00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:35,520
you're

849
00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:35,700
right

850
00:16:35,700 --> 00:16:36,260
obviously

851
00:16:36,260 --> 00:16:36,800
I'm

852
00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:37,040
a little

853
00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:37,440
biased

854
00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:37,800
towards

855
00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,440
I

856
00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:40,780
come at

857
00:16:40,780 --> 00:16:40,860
it

858
00:16:40,860 --> 00:16:41,180
honestly

859
00:16:41,180 --> 00:16:42,060
being

860
00:16:42,060 --> 00:16:42,700
the lead

861
00:16:42,700 --> 00:16:42,960
on both

862
00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:43,120
those

863
00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:43,460
projects

864
00:16:43,460 --> 00:16:44,900
but yeah

865
00:16:44,900 --> 00:16:45,240
so

866
00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:46,060
walking

867
00:16:46,060 --> 00:16:46,220
through

868
00:16:46,220 --> 00:16:46,680
the tech

869
00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:46,860
stack

870
00:16:46,860 --> 00:16:47,240
in general

871
00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:48,820
I see

872
00:16:48,820 --> 00:16:49,480
as a

873
00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:51,060
healthy

874
00:16:51,060 --> 00:16:51,380
way

875
00:16:51,380 --> 00:16:51,780
forward

876
00:16:51,780 --> 00:16:53,300
it starts

877
00:16:53,300 --> 00:16:53,520
off with

878
00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:54,300
a platform

879
00:16:54,300 --> 00:16:55,300
a modern

880
00:16:55,300 --> 00:16:55,680
platform

881
00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:56,060
that can

882
00:16:56,060 --> 00:16:56,400
do the

883
00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:56,620
things

884
00:16:56,620 --> 00:16:57,080
that we

885
00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:57,300
talked

886
00:16:57,300 --> 00:16:57,500
about

887
00:16:57,500 --> 00:16:58,280
you can

888
00:16:58,280 --> 00:16:58,520
iterate

889
00:16:58,520 --> 00:16:59,060
fast on

890
00:16:59,060 --> 00:16:59,160
it

891
00:16:59,160 --> 00:16:59,420
you can

892
00:16:59,420 --> 00:16:59,640
scale

893
00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:00,060
dynamically

894
00:17:00,060 --> 00:17:00,560
with it

895
00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:00,880
and

896
00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:02,740
PCF

897
00:17:02,740 --> 00:17:03,180
PKS

898
00:17:03,180 --> 00:17:03,920
both

899
00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:04,200
those

900
00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:04,360
are

901
00:17:04,360 --> 00:17:05,360
very

902
00:17:05,360 --> 00:17:06,160
viable

903
00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:06,700
options

904
00:17:06,700 --> 00:17:08,920
one

905
00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:09,180
thing

906
00:17:09,180 --> 00:17:09,420
that

907
00:17:09,420 --> 00:17:11,500
you

908
00:17:11,500 --> 00:17:11,960
also

909
00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:12,220
see

910
00:17:12,220 --> 00:17:12,400
that

911
00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:12,500
you

912
00:17:12,500 --> 00:17:12,620
have

913
00:17:12,620 --> 00:17:12,720
to

914
00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:13,000
typically

915
00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:13,560
navigate

916
00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:13,960
through

917
00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:14,260
is

918
00:17:14,260 --> 00:17:14,520
a

919
00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:14,860
persistent

920
00:17:14,860 --> 00:17:15,300
disk

921
00:17:15,300 --> 00:17:16,140
on both

922
00:17:16,140 --> 00:17:16,240
of

923
00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:16,460
those

924
00:17:16,460 --> 00:17:17,360
that

925
00:17:17,360 --> 00:17:17,540
is

926
00:17:17,540 --> 00:17:17,800
something

927
00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:18,080
that

928
00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:18,940
a lot

929
00:17:18,940 --> 00:17:19,140
of

930
00:17:19,140 --> 00:17:19,560
times

931
00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:19,760
will

932
00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:20,460
be

933
00:17:20,460 --> 00:17:21,120
a bit

934
00:17:21,120 --> 00:17:21,300
of a

935
00:17:21,300 --> 00:17:21,580
hiccup

936
00:17:21,580 --> 00:17:21,840
if you

937
00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:22,020
will

938
00:17:22,020 --> 00:17:23,560
or

939
00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:23,780
something

940
00:17:23,780 --> 00:17:23,940
that

941
00:17:23,940 --> 00:17:24,000
you

942
00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:24,100
have

943
00:17:24,100 --> 00:17:24,180
to

944
00:17:24,180 --> 00:17:24,360
work

945
00:17:24,360 --> 00:17:24,660
through

946
00:17:24,660 --> 00:17:25,880
like

947
00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:25,980
I

948
00:17:25,980 --> 00:17:26,080
said

949
00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:26,200
that

950
00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:26,640
30%

951
00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:26,880
there's

952
00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:27,120
nothing

953
00:17:27,120 --> 00:17:27,320
in

954
00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:27,460
there

955
00:17:27,460 --> 00:17:27,620
that

956
00:17:27,620 --> 00:17:28,460
you

957
00:17:28,460 --> 00:17:28,940
can't

958
00:17:28,940 --> 00:17:29,600
work

959
00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:29,860
through

960
00:17:29,860 --> 00:17:30,960
we've

961
00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:31,100
got

962
00:17:31,100 --> 00:17:31,460
examples

963
00:17:31,460 --> 00:17:31,780
of

964
00:17:31,780 --> 00:17:32,480
using

965
00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:32,780
volume

966
00:17:32,780 --> 00:17:33,240
services

967
00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:33,500
on

968
00:17:33,500 --> 00:17:33,960
PCF

969
00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:34,060
for

970
00:17:34,060 --> 00:17:34,400
example

971
00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:34,700
for

972
00:17:34,700 --> 00:17:34,820
the

973
00:17:34,820 --> 00:17:35,140
persistent

974
00:17:35,140 --> 00:17:35,500
disk

975
00:17:35,500 --> 00:17:36,180
on

976
00:17:36,180 --> 00:17:36,800
PaaS

977
00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:37,720
but

978
00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:37,840
it

979
00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:37,960
is

980
00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:38,340
something

981
00:17:38,340 --> 00:17:38,560
that

982
00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:38,900
is

983
00:17:38,900 --> 00:17:39,000
a

984
00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:39,160
common

985
00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:39,640
question

986
00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:41,140
other

987
00:17:41,140 --> 00:17:41,900
common

988
00:17:41,900 --> 00:17:42,220
question

989
00:17:42,220 --> 00:17:42,360
for

990
00:17:42,360 --> 00:17:42,480
the

991
00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:42,800
platform

992
00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:43,300
specifically

993
00:17:43,300 --> 00:17:43,540
would

994
00:17:43,540 --> 00:17:43,660
be

995
00:17:43,660 --> 00:17:43,800
what

996
00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:43,940
about

997
00:17:43,940 --> 00:17:44,320
scheduling

998
00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:46,040
scheduling

999
00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:46,320
is

1000
00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:46,600
something

1001
00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:46,880
that

1002
00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:47,160
is

1003
00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:48,140
almost

1004
00:17:48,140 --> 00:17:48,680
religious

1005
00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:49,200
in

1006
00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:49,400
most

1007
00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:50,080
enterprises

1008
00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:50,380
they

1009
00:17:50,380 --> 00:17:50,560
have

1010
00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:50,700
a

1011
00:17:50,700 --> 00:17:51,280
scheduler

1012
00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:51,500
and

1013
00:17:51,500 --> 00:17:51,660
it

1014
00:17:51,660 --> 00:17:52,200
getting

1015
00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:52,800
a

1016
00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:53,380
change

1017
00:17:53,380 --> 00:17:54,920
get

1018
00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:55,420
changing

1019
00:17:55,420 --> 00:17:55,680
that

1020
00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:56,180
tool

1021
00:17:56,180 --> 00:17:56,460
is

1022
00:17:56,460 --> 00:17:56,960
like

1023
00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:57,060
I

1024
00:17:57,060 --> 00:17:57,200
said

1025
00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:57,480
almost

1026
00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:57,720
like

1027
00:17:57,720 --> 00:17:58,000
changing

1028
00:17:58,000 --> 00:17:58,420
religions

1029
00:17:58,420 --> 00:17:58,720
it's

1030
00:17:58,720 --> 00:17:58,860
that

1031
00:17:58,860 --> 00:17:59,040
hard

1032
00:17:59,040 --> 00:17:59,180
to

1033
00:17:59,180 --> 00:17:59,440
do

1034
00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:00,040
so

1035
00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:00,380
then

1036
00:18:00,380 --> 00:18:00,840
pause

1037
00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:01,100
a

1038
00:18:01,100 --> 00:18:01,180
little

1039
00:18:01,180 --> 00:18:01,540
bit

1040
00:18:01,540 --> 00:18:02,180
what

1041
00:18:02,180 --> 00:18:02,620
is

1042
00:18:02,620 --> 00:18:02,780
the

1043
00:18:02,780 --> 00:18:03,260
scheduler

1044
00:18:03,260 --> 00:18:03,420
in

1045
00:18:03,420 --> 00:18:03,520
the

1046
00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:03,880
mainframe

1047
00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:04,220
world

1048
00:18:04,220 --> 00:18:04,440
for

1049
00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:04,680
those

1050
00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:04,800
of

1051
00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:05,060
us

1052
00:18:05,060 --> 00:18:05,480
you

1053
00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:05,620
know

1054
00:18:05,620 --> 00:18:06,380
uninitiated

1055
00:18:06,380 --> 00:18:06,560
in

1056
00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:06,740
these

1057
00:18:06,740 --> 00:18:07,060
religious

1058
00:18:07,060 --> 00:18:07,540
practices

1059
00:18:07,540 --> 00:18:08,020
so

1060
00:18:08,020 --> 00:18:08,340
the

1061
00:18:08,340 --> 00:18:08,640
scheduler

1062
00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:08,740
is

1063
00:18:08,740 --> 00:18:08,860
going

1064
00:18:08,860 --> 00:18:08,940
to

1065
00:18:08,940 --> 00:18:09,020
be

1066
00:18:09,020 --> 00:18:09,160
what

1067
00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:09,600
orchestrates

1068
00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:09,780
your

1069
00:18:09,780 --> 00:18:10,400
batch

1070
00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:10,740
jobs

1071
00:18:10,740 --> 00:18:11,440
so

1072
00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:12,380
you

1073
00:18:12,380 --> 00:18:12,580
can

1074
00:18:12,580 --> 00:18:12,940
imagine

1075
00:18:12,940 --> 00:18:14,180
somebody's

1076
00:18:14,180 --> 00:18:14,460
got

1077
00:18:14,460 --> 00:18:14,840
a

1078
00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:15,120
dashboard

1079
00:18:15,120 --> 00:18:15,400
sitting

1080
00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:15,540
in

1081
00:18:15,540 --> 00:18:15,680
front

1082
00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:15,780
of

1083
00:18:15,780 --> 00:18:15,840
them

1084
00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:15,960
with

1085
00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:16,040
a

1086
00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:16,140
bunch

1087
00:18:16,140 --> 00:18:16,240
of

1088
00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:16,660
boxes

1089
00:18:16,660 --> 00:18:17,040
those

1090
00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:17,340
boxes

1091
00:18:17,340 --> 00:18:17,500
will

1092
00:18:17,500 --> 00:18:17,660
turn

1093
00:18:17,660 --> 00:18:17,840
from

1094
00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:18,040
green

1095
00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:18,200
to

1096
00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:18,440
red

1097
00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,360
based

1098
00:18:21,360 --> 00:18:21,520
on

1099
00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:21,660
whether

1100
00:18:21,660 --> 00:18:21,920
they

1101
00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:22,920
finished

1102
00:18:28,860 --> 00:18:30,000
and

1103
00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:30,440
that

1104
00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:30,640
is

1105
00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:30,880
really

1106
00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:31,120
the

1107
00:18:31,120 --> 00:18:31,580
operation

1108
00:18:31,580 --> 00:18:32,060
side

1109
00:18:32,060 --> 00:18:32,220
of

1110
00:18:32,220 --> 00:18:32,320
the

1111
00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:32,720
mainframe

1112
00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:33,940
it's

1113
00:18:33,940 --> 00:18:34,260
where

1114
00:18:34,260 --> 00:18:34,680
the

1115
00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:35,760
monitoring

1116
00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:36,200
the

1117
00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:37,160
orchestration

1118
00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:37,480
all that

1119
00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:37,900
happens

1120
00:18:37,900 --> 00:18:39,000
and

1121
00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:39,360
so

1122
00:18:39,360 --> 00:18:41,260
moving

1123
00:18:41,260 --> 00:18:41,580
off the

1124
00:18:41,580 --> 00:18:41,840
mainframe

1125
00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:41,980
the

1126
00:18:41,980 --> 00:18:42,220
question

1127
00:18:42,220 --> 00:18:42,380
then

1128
00:18:42,380 --> 00:18:42,700
becomes

1129
00:18:42,700 --> 00:18:43,420
how do

1130
00:18:43,420 --> 00:18:43,480
we

1131
00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:43,800
replace

1132
00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:44,060
that

1133
00:18:44,060 --> 00:18:45,040
and

1134
00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:45,980
it

1135
00:18:45,980 --> 00:18:46,080
can

1136
00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:46,160
be

1137
00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:46,240
a

1138
00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:46,360
number

1139
00:18:46,360 --> 00:18:46,500
of

1140
00:18:46,500 --> 00:18:46,680
different

1141
00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:47,000
things

1142
00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:47,100
you

1143
00:18:47,100 --> 00:18:47,240
know

1144
00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:47,640
in

1145
00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:47,820
some

1146
00:18:47,820 --> 00:18:48,160
cases

1147
00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:48,460
it's

1148
00:18:48,460 --> 00:18:48,940
stick

1149
00:18:48,940 --> 00:18:49,060
with

1150
00:18:49,060 --> 00:18:49,200
what

1151
00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:49,280
you

1152
00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:49,700
got

1153
00:18:49,700 --> 00:18:50,260
because

1154
00:18:50,260 --> 00:18:50,480
a lot

1155
00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:50,580
of

1156
00:18:50,580 --> 00:18:50,800
those

1157
00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:51,080
aren't

1158
00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:51,400
mainframe

1159
00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:51,840
specific

1160
00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:52,700
like

1161
00:18:52,700 --> 00:18:52,860
a

1162
00:18:52,860 --> 00:18:55,460
control

1163
00:18:55,460 --> 00:18:55,740
M

1164
00:18:55,740 --> 00:18:57,820
that's

1165
00:18:57,820 --> 00:18:58,000
something

1166
00:18:58,000 --> 00:18:58,380
that isn't

1167
00:18:58,380 --> 00:18:58,700
mainframe

1168
00:18:58,700 --> 00:18:59,140
specific

1169
00:18:59,140 --> 00:18:59,320
so

1170
00:18:59,320 --> 00:18:59,460
there's

1171
00:18:59,460 --> 00:18:59,600
no

1172
00:18:59,600 --> 00:18:59,920
reason

1173
00:18:59,920 --> 00:19:00,080
to

1174
00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:00,220
move

1175
00:19:00,220 --> 00:19:00,420
away

1176
00:19:00,420 --> 00:19:00,560
from

1177
00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:00,740
that

1178
00:19:00,740 --> 00:19:01,460
specifically

1179
00:19:01,460 --> 00:19:02,080
if

1180
00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:03,060
that's

1181
00:19:03,060 --> 00:19:03,160
what

1182
00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:03,260
you're

1183
00:19:03,260 --> 00:19:03,460
comfortable

1184
00:19:03,460 --> 00:19:03,760
with

1185
00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:04,320
all

1186
00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:04,500
the

1187
00:19:04,500 --> 00:19:04,840
tools

1188
00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:05,040
that

1189
00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:05,180
would

1190
00:19:05,180 --> 00:19:05,360
be

1191
00:19:05,360 --> 00:19:05,600
in

1192
00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:06,060
our

1193
00:19:06,060 --> 00:19:06,520
portfolio

1194
00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:07,540
can

1195
00:19:07,540 --> 00:19:07,740
work

1196
00:19:07,740 --> 00:19:08,020
fine

1197
00:19:08,020 --> 00:19:08,220
with

1198
00:19:08,220 --> 00:19:08,780
it

1199
00:19:08,780 --> 00:19:10,380
but

1200
00:19:10,380 --> 00:19:10,540
you

1201
00:19:10,540 --> 00:19:10,660
don't

1202
00:19:10,660 --> 00:19:10,840
have

1203
00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:11,300
to

1204
00:19:11,300 --> 00:19:12,400
PKS

1205
00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:12,900
PC

1206
00:19:12,900 --> 00:19:13,620
they

1207
00:19:13,620 --> 00:19:13,880
both

1208
00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:14,220
have

1209
00:19:14,220 --> 00:19:17,040
schedulers

1210
00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:17,260
built

1211
00:19:17,260 --> 00:19:17,720
in

1212
00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:18,180
so

1213
00:19:18,180 --> 00:19:18,340
you

1214
00:19:18,340 --> 00:19:18,520
can

1215
00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:18,700
do

1216
00:19:18,700 --> 00:19:18,920
stuff

1217
00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:19,100
like

1218
00:19:19,100 --> 00:19:19,340
that

1219
00:19:19,340 --> 00:19:19,820
if

1220
00:19:19,820 --> 00:19:19,920
you

1221
00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:20,040
need

1222
00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:20,220
more

1223
00:19:20,220 --> 00:19:20,600
complex

1224
00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:21,000
dependency

1225
00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:21,540
management

1226
00:19:21,540 --> 00:19:22,880
between

1227
00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:23,080
your

1228
00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:23,300
jobs

1229
00:19:23,300 --> 00:19:23,400
you

1230
00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:23,500
can

1231
00:19:23,500 --> 00:19:23,620
get

1232
00:19:23,620 --> 00:19:24,040
things

1233
00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:24,200
like

1234
00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:24,420
Spring

1235
00:19:24,420 --> 00:19:24,560
Cloud

1236
00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:24,940
Dataflow

1237
00:19:24,940 --> 00:19:25,620
with

1238
00:19:25,620 --> 00:19:25,760
its

1239
00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:26,100
composed

1240
00:19:26,100 --> 00:19:26,480
task

1241
00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:27,280
concept

1242
00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:27,740
where

1243
00:19:27,740 --> 00:19:28,180
you

1244
00:19:28,180 --> 00:19:28,380
can

1245
00:19:28,380 --> 00:19:28,900
define

1246
00:19:28,900 --> 00:19:29,460
flows

1247
00:19:29,460 --> 00:19:29,760
I

1248
00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:29,980
need

1249
00:19:29,980 --> 00:19:30,640
job

1250
00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:30,900
A

1251
00:19:30,900 --> 00:19:31,080
to

1252
00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:31,340
run

1253
00:19:31,340 --> 00:19:31,480
and

1254
00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:31,600
then

1255
00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:31,700
I

1256
00:19:31,700 --> 00:19:31,880
need

1257
00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:32,140
job

1258
00:19:32,140 --> 00:19:32,340
B

1259
00:19:32,340 --> 00:19:32,460
and

1260
00:19:32,460 --> 00:19:32,600
C

1261
00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:32,700
to

1262
00:19:32,700 --> 00:19:32,900
run

1263
00:19:32,900 --> 00:19:33,280
in

1264
00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:33,680
parallel

1265
00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:34,320
once

1266
00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:34,560
both

1267
00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:34,720
those

1268
00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:34,780
are

1269
00:19:34,780 --> 00:19:34,920
done

1270
00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:35,120
run

1271
00:19:35,120 --> 00:19:35,360
job

1272
00:19:35,360 --> 00:19:35,700
C

1273
00:19:35,700 --> 00:19:36,240
if

1274
00:19:40,660 --> 00:19:41,480
orchestrate

1275
00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:41,580
with

1276
00:19:41,580 --> 00:19:41,760
Spring

1277
00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:41,920
Cloud

1278
00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:42,340
Dataflow

1279
00:19:42,340 --> 00:19:44,520
and

1280
00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:45,080
do

1281
00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:45,500
time-based

1282
00:19:45,500 --> 00:19:45,880
scheduling

1283
00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:46,740
built

1284
00:19:46,740 --> 00:19:46,820
in

1285
00:19:46,820 --> 00:19:46,920
with

1286
00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:47,020
the

1287
00:19:47,020 --> 00:19:47,360
platform

1288
00:19:47,360 --> 00:19:49,500
Do

1289
00:19:49,500 --> 00:19:49,680
you

1290
00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:50,080
see

1291
00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,320
functions

1292
00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,280
serverless

1293
00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:55,500
any

1294
00:19:55,500 --> 00:19:56,960
of

1295
00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:57,420
those

1296
00:19:57,420 --> 00:19:58,120
approaches

1297
00:19:58,120 --> 00:19:59,340
replacing

1298
00:19:59,340 --> 00:20:00,980
parts

1299
00:20:00,980 --> 00:20:01,540
of

1300
00:20:01,540 --> 00:20:01,900
what

1301
00:20:01,900 --> 00:20:02,100
these

1302
00:20:02,100 --> 00:20:02,420
scheduling

1303
00:20:02,420 --> 00:20:02,800
jobs

1304
00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:02,980
are

1305
00:20:02,980 --> 00:20:03,280
doing

1306
00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:04,280
or

1307
00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:04,420
do

1308
00:20:04,420 --> 00:20:04,500
you

1309
00:20:04,500 --> 00:20:04,620
have

1310
00:20:04,620 --> 00:20:04,720
to

1311
00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:05,180
take

1312
00:20:05,180 --> 00:20:05,500
a few

1313
00:20:05,500 --> 00:20:05,900
steps

1314
00:20:05,900 --> 00:20:06,260
before

1315
00:20:06,260 --> 00:20:06,480
you

1316
00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:06,640
would

1317
00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:06,820
be

1318
00:20:06,820 --> 00:20:06,920
able

1319
00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:07,020
to

1320
00:20:07,020 --> 00:20:07,140
get

1321
00:20:07,140 --> 00:20:07,220
to

1322
00:20:07,220 --> 00:20:07,360
that

1323
00:20:07,360 --> 00:20:07,540
point

1324
00:20:07,540 --> 00:20:08,000
anyways

1325
00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:09,400
we're

1326
00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:09,520
not

1327
00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:09,680
there

1328
00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:09,860
yet

1329
00:20:09,860 --> 00:20:10,560
we're

1330
00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:10,660
not

1331
00:20:10,660 --> 00:20:10,820
there

1332
00:20:10,820 --> 00:20:11,060
yet

1333
00:20:11,060 --> 00:20:11,640
one

1334
00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:11,860
thing

1335
00:20:11,860 --> 00:20:12,000
that

1336
00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:12,120
we

1337
00:20:12,120 --> 00:20:12,460
do

1338
00:20:12,460 --> 00:20:13,100
see

1339
00:20:13,100 --> 00:20:13,520
commonly

1340
00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:14,220
and

1341
00:20:14,220 --> 00:20:14,340
we

1342
00:20:14,340 --> 00:20:14,560
talk

1343
00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:14,780
about

1344
00:20:14,780 --> 00:20:15,000
when

1345
00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:15,140
we

1346
00:20:15,140 --> 00:20:15,260
are

1347
00:20:15,260 --> 00:20:15,440
talking

1348
00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:15,580
about

1349
00:20:15,580 --> 00:20:15,840
mainframe

1350
00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:16,320
modernization

1351
00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:16,760
projects

1352
00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:17,020
is

1353
00:20:17,020 --> 00:20:17,320
does

1354
00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:17,480
this

1355
00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:17,740
stuff

1356
00:20:17,740 --> 00:20:18,240
need

1357
00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:18,340
to

1358
00:20:18,340 --> 00:20:18,580
be

1359
00:20:18,580 --> 00:20:19,020
batch

1360
00:20:19,020 --> 00:20:19,500
oriented

1361
00:20:19,500 --> 00:20:20,680
obviously

1362
00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:20,880
it was

1363
00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:21,080
developed

1364
00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:21,320
that way

1365
00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:21,620
originally

1366
00:20:21,620 --> 00:20:21,820
but

1367
00:20:21,820 --> 00:20:22,000
does

1368
00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:22,100
it

1369
00:20:22,100 --> 00:20:22,260
make

1370
00:20:22,260 --> 00:20:22,480
sense

1371
00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:22,680
going

1372
00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:23,120
forward

1373
00:20:23,120 --> 00:20:24,320
and

1374
00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:24,520
it's

1375
00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:24,660
not

1376
00:20:24,660 --> 00:20:24,940
uncommon

1377
00:20:24,940 --> 00:20:25,180
for

1378
00:20:25,180 --> 00:20:25,320
us

1379
00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:25,460
to

1380
00:20:25,460 --> 00:20:25,600
be

1381
00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:25,800
like

1382
00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:25,980
well

1383
00:20:25,980 --> 00:20:26,160
this

1384
00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:26,560
job

1385
00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:26,740
over

1386
00:20:26,740 --> 00:20:27,020
here

1387
00:20:27,020 --> 00:20:27,240
yeah

1388
00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:27,460
that

1389
00:20:27,460 --> 00:20:27,920
should

1390
00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:28,040
be

1391
00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:28,320
batch

1392
00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:28,640
but

1393
00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:28,760
this

1394
00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:28,920
other

1395
00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:29,180
thing

1396
00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:38,620
RIF

1397
00:20:38,620 --> 00:20:39,680
has

1398
00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,040
and

1399
00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:41,420
PFS

1400
00:20:41,420 --> 00:20:42,100
have

1401
00:20:42,100 --> 00:20:42,340
those

1402
00:20:42,340 --> 00:20:42,540
kind

1403
00:20:42,540 --> 00:20:42,640
of

1404
00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:43,060
capabilities

1405
00:20:43,060 --> 00:20:43,360
for

1406
00:20:43,360 --> 00:20:43,600
the

1407
00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:43,920
streaming

1408
00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:44,240
model

1409
00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:44,480
pretty

1410
00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:44,680
well

1411
00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:44,920
baked

1412
00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:45,180
in

1413
00:20:45,180 --> 00:20:46,020
we're

1414
00:20:46,020 --> 00:20:46,180
still

1415
00:20:46,180 --> 00:20:46,460
working

1416
00:20:46,460 --> 00:20:46,860
through

1417
00:20:46,860 --> 00:20:47,500
what

1418
00:20:47,500 --> 00:20:47,820
that's

1419
00:20:47,820 --> 00:20:47,940
going

1420
00:20:47,940 --> 00:20:48,020
to

1421
00:20:48,020 --> 00:20:48,200
look

1422
00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:48,460
like

1423
00:20:48,460 --> 00:20:48,700
in

1424
00:20:48,700 --> 00:20:48,800
a

1425
00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:49,100
functional

1426
00:20:49,100 --> 00:20:51,180
style

1427
00:20:51,180 --> 00:20:53,260
okay

1428
00:20:53,260 --> 00:20:53,680
so

1429
00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:54,700
you

1430
00:20:54,700 --> 00:20:54,860
know

1431
00:20:54,860 --> 00:20:55,040
you

1432
00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:55,480
mentioned

1433
00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:56,060
having

1434
00:20:56,060 --> 00:20:56,220
to

1435
00:20:56,220 --> 00:20:56,500
navigate

1436
00:20:56,500 --> 00:20:57,140
persistent

1437
00:20:57,140 --> 00:20:57,660
disk

1438
00:20:57,660 --> 00:20:58,420
having

1439
00:20:58,420 --> 00:20:58,740
you

1440
00:20:58,740 --> 00:20:58,820
know

1441
00:20:58,820 --> 00:20:59,020
running

1442
00:20:59,020 --> 00:20:59,220
into

1443
00:20:59,220 --> 00:20:59,400
the

1444
00:20:59,400 --> 00:20:59,880
scheduler

1445
00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:00,140
and

1446
00:21:00,140 --> 00:21:00,760
solving

1447
00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:00,980
the

1448
00:21:00,980 --> 00:21:01,260
scheduling

1449
00:21:01,260 --> 00:21:01,820
problem

1450
00:21:01,820 --> 00:21:03,240
anything

1451
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:03,660
else

1452
00:21:03,660 --> 00:21:04,000
that's

1453
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:04,160
kind

1454
00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:04,260
of

1455
00:21:04,260 --> 00:21:04,460
like

1456
00:21:04,460 --> 00:21:04,960
big

1457
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:05,500
common

1458
00:21:05,500 --> 00:21:05,880
areas

1459
00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:06,100
on the

1460
00:21:06,100 --> 00:21:06,320
technical

1461
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:06,600
side

1462
00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:06,840
that

1463
00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:07,520
need

1464
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:07,620
to

1465
00:21:07,620 --> 00:21:07,740
get

1466
00:21:07,740 --> 00:21:07,960
worked

1467
00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:08,180
through

1468
00:21:08,180 --> 00:21:09,420
well

1469
00:21:09,420 --> 00:21:09,740
it's

1470
00:21:09,740 --> 00:21:10,260
what

1471
00:21:10,260 --> 00:21:10,420
is

1472
00:21:10,420 --> 00:21:10,620
the

1473
00:21:10,620 --> 00:21:11,220
programming

1474
00:21:11,220 --> 00:21:11,540
model

1475
00:21:11,540 --> 00:21:12,420
which

1476
00:21:12,420 --> 00:21:12,700
brings

1477
00:21:12,700 --> 00:21:12,880
us

1478
00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:13,120
to

1479
00:21:13,120 --> 00:21:13,320
you

1480
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:13,420
know

1481
00:21:13,420 --> 00:21:13,580
like

1482
00:21:13,580 --> 00:21:13,700
you

1483
00:21:13,700 --> 00:21:14,020
mentioned

1484
00:21:14,020 --> 00:21:14,220
at

1485
00:21:14,220 --> 00:21:14,320
the

1486
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:14,780
top

1487
00:21:14,780 --> 00:21:15,100
it's

1488
00:21:15,100 --> 00:21:15,460
spring

1489
00:21:15,460 --> 00:21:15,760
batch

1490
00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:16,000
sprint

1491
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:16,100
and

1492
00:21:16,100 --> 00:21:16,260
spring

1493
00:21:16,260 --> 00:21:16,460
cloud

1494
00:21:16,460 --> 00:21:16,840
task

1495
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:17,880
and

1496
00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:18,120
using

1497
00:21:18,120 --> 00:21:18,540
those

1498
00:21:18,540 --> 00:21:19,700
frameworks

1499
00:21:19,700 --> 00:21:20,620
to

1500
00:21:20,620 --> 00:21:21,000
develop

1501
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:21,920
resilient

1502
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:22,800
applications

1503
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:24,400
that

1504
00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:24,660
you'd

1505
00:21:24,660 --> 00:21:24,780
be

1506
00:21:24,780 --> 00:21:24,980
willing

1507
00:21:24,980 --> 00:21:25,120
to

1508
00:21:25,120 --> 00:21:25,320
trust

1509
00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:25,540
your

1510
00:21:25,540 --> 00:21:25,980
crown

1511
00:21:25,980 --> 00:21:26,240
jewels

1512
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:26,520
to

1513
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,600
you

1514
00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:28,760
know

1515
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:29,100
most

1516
00:21:29,100 --> 00:21:29,200
of

1517
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:29,340
this

1518
00:21:29,340 --> 00:21:29,700
or

1519
00:21:29,700 --> 00:21:30,080
I

1520
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:30,200
won't

1521
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:30,320
say

1522
00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:30,560
most

1523
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:30,700
but

1524
00:21:30,700 --> 00:21:30,980
a lot

1525
00:21:30,980 --> 00:21:31,140
of

1526
00:21:31,140 --> 00:21:31,400
batch

1527
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:31,880
applications

1528
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:32,320
are run

1529
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:32,940
middle

1530
00:21:32,940 --> 00:21:33,140
of the

1531
00:21:33,140 --> 00:21:33,280
night

1532
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:33,520
kind

1533
00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:33,600
of

1534
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:33,880
thing

1535
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:34,840
which

1536
00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:35,260
means

1537
00:21:35,260 --> 00:21:36,060
if

1538
00:21:36,060 --> 00:21:36,200
it

1539
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:36,540
fails

1540
00:21:36,540 --> 00:21:37,120
somebody's

1541
00:21:37,120 --> 00:21:37,220
getting

1542
00:21:37,220 --> 00:21:37,680
a page

1543
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:38,240
at

1544
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:38,380
2

1545
00:21:38,380 --> 00:21:38,460
in

1546
00:21:38,460 --> 00:21:38,540
the

1547
00:21:38,540 --> 00:21:38,760
morning

1548
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:38,940
and

1549
00:21:38,940 --> 00:21:39,180
nobody

1550
00:21:39,180 --> 00:21:40,040
likes

1551
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:40,260
that

1552
00:21:40,260 --> 00:21:41,220
so

1553
00:21:41,220 --> 00:21:41,960
using

1554
00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:42,480
frameworks

1555
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:42,760
that

1556
00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:42,880
are

1557
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:43,140
battle

1558
00:21:43,140 --> 00:21:43,520
tested

1559
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:43,760
and

1560
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:44,040
have

1561
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:44,600
the

1562
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:44,940
various

1563
00:21:44,940 --> 00:21:45,260
error

1564
00:21:45,260 --> 00:21:45,900
handling

1565
00:21:45,900 --> 00:21:46,580
capabilities

1566
00:21:46,580 --> 00:21:47,020
that

1567
00:21:47,020 --> 00:21:47,500
a

1568
00:21:47,500 --> 00:21:47,680
spring

1569
00:21:48,540 --> 00:21:48,660
desk

1570
00:21:48,660 --> 00:21:49,260
provides

1571
00:21:49,260 --> 00:21:50,660
can

1572
00:21:50,660 --> 00:21:51,200
lead

1573
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:51,440
you

1574
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:51,740
to

1575
00:21:51,740 --> 00:21:52,940
a

1576
00:21:52,940 --> 00:21:53,100
more

1577
00:21:53,100 --> 00:21:53,620
sane

1578
00:21:53,620 --> 00:21:54,620
result

1579
00:21:54,620 --> 00:21:55,160
than

1580
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:55,600
going

1581
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:56,220
on

1582
00:21:56,220 --> 00:21:56,340
your

1583
00:21:56,340 --> 00:21:56,600
own

1584
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:57,180
I'm

1585
00:21:57,180 --> 00:21:57,440
curious

1586
00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:57,660
just

1587
00:21:57,660 --> 00:21:58,340
working

1588
00:21:58,340 --> 00:21:58,660
with

1589
00:21:58,660 --> 00:21:59,140
customers

1590
00:21:59,140 --> 00:21:59,540
I mean

1591
00:21:59,540 --> 00:22:00,320
do you

1592
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:00,420
have

1593
00:22:00,420 --> 00:22:00,740
any

1594
00:22:00,740 --> 00:22:01,680
anecdotes

1595
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:01,920
you can

1596
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:02,260
share

1597
00:22:02,260 --> 00:22:02,820
or any

1598
00:22:02,820 --> 00:22:04,540
real

1599
00:22:04,540 --> 00:22:05,380
world

1600
00:22:05,380 --> 00:22:05,840
lessons

1601
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:06,200
not that

1602
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:06,340
these

1603
00:22:06,340 --> 00:22:06,560
haven't

1604
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:06,680
been

1605
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:06,800
in

1606
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:06,940
real

1607
00:22:06,940 --> 00:22:07,200
world

1608
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:07,400
but

1609
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:07,740
anything

1610
00:22:07,740 --> 00:22:08,060
you can

1611
00:22:08,060 --> 00:22:08,220
tie

1612
00:22:08,220 --> 00:22:08,400
to

1613
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:08,980
actual

1614
00:22:08,980 --> 00:22:09,380
engagements

1615
00:22:09,380 --> 00:22:09,640
you've

1616
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:09,920
seen

1617
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:10,220
or

1618
00:22:10,220 --> 00:22:11,120
anything

1619
00:22:11,120 --> 00:22:11,940
interesting

1620
00:22:11,940 --> 00:22:12,160
out

1621
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:12,280
there

1622
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:12,520
that

1623
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:12,800
might

1624
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:12,920
be

1625
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:13,040
of

1626
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:13,280
interest

1627
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:13,600
to

1628
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:14,220
folks

1629
00:22:14,220 --> 00:22:14,460
listening

1630
00:22:14,460 --> 00:22:15,560
a

1631
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:16,080
common

1632
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:16,500
scenario

1633
00:22:16,500 --> 00:22:16,960
we run

1634
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:17,220
into

1635
00:22:17,220 --> 00:22:17,680
is

1636
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:18,180
companies

1637
00:22:18,180 --> 00:22:18,500
that

1638
00:22:18,500 --> 00:22:18,680
have

1639
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:19,540
gone

1640
00:22:19,540 --> 00:22:19,800
their

1641
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:20,020
own

1642
00:22:20,020 --> 00:22:20,440
they've

1643
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:21,160
maybe

1644
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:21,380
shut

1645
00:22:21,380 --> 00:22:21,500
down

1646
00:22:21,500 --> 00:22:21,600
the

1647
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:21,920
mainframe

1648
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:22,120
but

1649
00:22:22,120 --> 00:22:22,600
they've

1650
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:23,120
built

1651
00:22:23,120 --> 00:22:23,380
their own

1652
00:22:23,380 --> 00:22:23,580
batch

1653
00:22:23,580 --> 00:22:23,920
framework

1654
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:24,400
for

1655
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:24,740
example

1656
00:22:24,740 --> 00:22:26,020
on the

1657
00:22:26,020 --> 00:22:26,300
DIY

1658
00:22:26,300 --> 00:22:26,960
approach

1659
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:27,820
and are

1660
00:22:27,820 --> 00:22:28,180
coming back

1661
00:22:28,180 --> 00:22:28,580
to us

1662
00:22:28,580 --> 00:22:29,060
and be

1663
00:22:29,060 --> 00:22:29,260
like

1664
00:22:29,260 --> 00:22:29,500
you know

1665
00:22:29,500 --> 00:22:29,680
what

1666
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:30,760
that

1667
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:31,320
isn't

1668
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:31,600
the way

1669
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:31,860
we want

1670
00:22:31,860 --> 00:22:32,040
to go

1671
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:32,280
long

1672
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:32,480
term

1673
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:33,400
we did

1674
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:33,500
have

1675
00:22:33,500 --> 00:22:33,580
a

1676
00:22:33,580 --> 00:22:33,860
conversation

1677
00:22:33,860 --> 00:22:34,040
with

1678
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:34,220
one

1679
00:22:34,220 --> 00:22:34,560
client

1680
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,120
where

1681
00:22:36,120 --> 00:22:37,600
they

1682
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:37,780
had

1683
00:22:37,780 --> 00:22:38,020
built

1684
00:22:38,020 --> 00:22:38,220
just

1685
00:22:38,220 --> 00:22:38,380
about

1686
00:22:38,380 --> 00:22:38,660
everything

1687
00:22:38,660 --> 00:22:39,000
else

1688
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:39,480
around

1689
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:39,740
the

1690
00:22:39,740 --> 00:22:40,240
mainframe

1691
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:40,780
emulators

1692
00:22:40,780 --> 00:22:41,280
of this

1693
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:41,740
stuff

1694
00:22:41,740 --> 00:22:42,720
and

1695
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:42,840
they

1696
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:43,060
were

1697
00:22:43,060 --> 00:22:43,480
intent

1698
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:43,660
on

1699
00:22:43,660 --> 00:22:43,880
moving

1700
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:44,040
the

1701
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:44,360
COBOL

1702
00:22:44,360 --> 00:22:44,560
off

1703
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:44,660
the

1704
00:22:44,660 --> 00:22:45,040
mainframe

1705
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:45,760
really

1706
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:46,000
just

1707
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:46,360
replacing

1708
00:22:46,360 --> 00:22:46,560
the

1709
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:46,880
hardware

1710
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:47,080
and

1711
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:47,240
none

1712
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:47,360
of

1713
00:22:47,360 --> 00:22:47,500
the

1714
00:22:47,500 --> 00:22:47,860
software

1715
00:22:47,860 --> 00:22:49,540
and

1716
00:22:49,540 --> 00:22:49,720
we

1717
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:50,460
advised

1718
00:22:50,460 --> 00:22:50,820
against

1719
00:22:50,820 --> 00:22:51,180
that

1720
00:22:51,180 --> 00:22:51,700
because

1721
00:22:51,700 --> 00:22:54,120
you know

1722
00:22:54,120 --> 00:22:55,400
now

1723
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:55,680
you're

1724
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:56,460
getting

1725
00:22:56,460 --> 00:22:57,800
no benefits

1726
00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:58,180
of moving

1727
00:22:58,180 --> 00:22:58,480
off the

1728
00:22:58,480 --> 00:22:58,860
mainframe

1729
00:22:58,860 --> 00:22:59,280
because

1730
00:22:59,280 --> 00:22:59,540
you're

1731
00:22:59,540 --> 00:23:00,180
still using

1732
00:23:00,180 --> 00:23:00,440
all the

1733
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:00,760
tools

1734
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:01,620
but

1735
00:23:01,620 --> 00:23:01,940
you're

1736
00:23:01,940 --> 00:23:02,120
actually

1737
00:23:02,120 --> 00:23:02,420
worse

1738
00:23:02,420 --> 00:23:02,640
now

1739
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:02,860
because

1740
00:23:02,860 --> 00:23:03,040
now

1741
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:03,180
you've

1742
00:23:03,180 --> 00:23:03,340
got to

1743
00:23:03,340 --> 00:23:03,600
maintain

1744
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:03,860
all

1745
00:23:03,860 --> 00:23:04,040
those

1746
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:04,500
emulators

1747
00:23:04,500 --> 00:23:04,720
and

1748
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:04,860
other

1749
00:23:04,860 --> 00:23:05,080
things

1750
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:05,260
you've

1751
00:23:05,260 --> 00:23:05,400
built

1752
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:05,800
around

1753
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:06,360
that

1754
00:23:06,360 --> 00:23:08,080
you

1755
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:08,400
can

1756
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:08,760
see

1757
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:09,640
potentially

1758
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:10,160
someone

1759
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:10,500
who's

1760
00:23:10,500 --> 00:23:11,080
looking at

1761
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:11,260
this

1762
00:23:11,260 --> 00:23:11,420
from

1763
00:23:11,420 --> 00:23:11,560
a

1764
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:11,760
risk

1765
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:12,300
perspective

1766
00:23:12,300 --> 00:23:13,060
and

1767
00:23:13,060 --> 00:23:13,720
say

1768
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:14,280
someone's

1769
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:14,980
won

1770
00:23:14,980 --> 00:23:15,200
the

1771
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:15,460
argument

1772
00:23:15,460 --> 00:23:15,680
that

1773
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,100
piece

1774
00:23:17,100 --> 00:23:17,280
of

1775
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:17,600
hardware

1776
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:17,960
costs

1777
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:18,140
too

1778
00:23:18,140 --> 00:23:18,480
much

1779
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:19,460
and

1780
00:23:19,460 --> 00:23:19,800
so

1781
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:20,000
it's

1782
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:20,180
like

1783
00:23:20,180 --> 00:23:20,420
okay

1784
00:23:20,420 --> 00:23:20,920
fine

1785
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:21,720
we're

1786
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:21,880
just

1787
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:22,000
going

1788
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:22,100
to

1789
00:23:22,100 --> 00:23:22,420
solve

1790
00:23:22,420 --> 00:23:22,740
for

1791
00:23:22,740 --> 00:23:23,100
that

1792
00:23:23,100 --> 00:23:23,280
and

1793
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:23,500
that

1794
00:23:23,500 --> 00:23:23,840
alone

1795
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:24,320
because

1796
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:24,980
everything

1797
00:23:24,980 --> 00:23:25,220
else

1798
00:23:25,220 --> 00:23:25,440
seems

1799
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:25,820
risky

1800
00:23:25,820 --> 00:23:26,540
I

1801
00:23:26,540 --> 00:23:26,700
could

1802
00:23:26,700 --> 00:23:26,980
see

1803
00:23:26,980 --> 00:23:27,400
that

1804
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:27,820
that

1805
00:23:27,820 --> 00:23:28,100
leads

1806
00:23:28,100 --> 00:23:28,200
you

1807
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:28,380
down

1808
00:23:28,380 --> 00:23:28,540
that

1809
00:23:28,540 --> 00:23:28,820
path

1810
00:23:28,820 --> 00:23:29,000
because

1811
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:29,420
again

1812
00:23:29,420 --> 00:23:29,620
it's

1813
00:23:29,620 --> 00:23:29,840
not

1814
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:30,080
looking

1815
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:30,200
at

1816
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:30,300
it

1817
00:23:30,300 --> 00:23:30,740
holistically

1818
00:23:30,740 --> 00:23:31,060
it's

1819
00:23:31,060 --> 00:23:31,300
just

1820
00:23:31,300 --> 00:23:32,040
you

1821
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:32,200
know

1822
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:32,620
someone

1823
00:23:32,620 --> 00:23:32,900
won

1824
00:23:32,900 --> 00:23:33,040
the

1825
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:33,360
argument

1826
00:23:33,360 --> 00:23:33,680
that

1827
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:34,300
you

1828
00:23:34,300 --> 00:23:34,540
need

1829
00:23:34,540 --> 00:23:34,660
to

1830
00:23:34,660 --> 00:23:34,900
stop

1831
00:23:34,900 --> 00:23:35,260
paying

1832
00:23:35,260 --> 00:23:35,540
for

1833
00:23:35,540 --> 00:23:35,700
the

1834
00:23:35,700 --> 00:23:36,040
hardware

1835
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:37,160
right

1836
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:37,420
and

1837
00:23:37,420 --> 00:23:37,600
it's

1838
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:37,780
like

1839
00:23:37,780 --> 00:23:38,120
okay

1840
00:23:38,120 --> 00:23:38,300
it's

1841
00:23:38,300 --> 00:23:38,480
a little

1842
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:38,940
myopic

1843
00:23:38,940 --> 00:23:40,520
but

1844
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:41,300
sometimes

1845
00:23:41,300 --> 00:23:41,700
that's

1846
00:23:41,700 --> 00:23:42,140
how it

1847
00:23:42,140 --> 00:23:42,380
works

1848
00:23:42,380 --> 00:23:43,460
in

1849
00:23:43,460 --> 00:23:43,660
these

1850
00:23:43,660 --> 00:23:43,840
kind

1851
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:43,920
of

1852
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:44,300
internal

1853
00:23:44,300 --> 00:23:45,480
battles

1854
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:45,880
right

1855
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:46,660
budget

1856
00:23:46,660 --> 00:23:46,920
line

1857
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:47,560
whatnot

1858
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:48,800
exactly

1859
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:49,060
I

1860
00:23:49,060 --> 00:23:49,240
can't

1861
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:49,380
speak

1862
00:23:49,380 --> 00:23:49,520
to

1863
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:49,820
this

1864
00:23:49,820 --> 00:23:50,660
specific

1865
00:23:50,660 --> 00:23:51,440
scenario

1866
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:51,680
but

1867
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:51,960
the

1868
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:52,080
way

1869
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:52,180
I

1870
00:23:52,180 --> 00:23:52,300
can

1871
00:23:52,300 --> 00:23:52,680
imagine

1872
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:52,880
it

1873
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:53,600
that

1874
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:53,940
decision

1875
00:23:53,940 --> 00:23:54,200
coming

1876
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:54,480
down

1877
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:54,840
is

1878
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:55,360
you

1879
00:23:55,360 --> 00:23:55,460
know

1880
00:23:55,460 --> 00:23:55,760
somebody

1881
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:56,000
without

1882
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:56,200
any

1883
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:56,540
technical

1884
00:23:56,540 --> 00:23:56,960
acumen

1885
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:58,020
about

1886
00:23:58,020 --> 00:23:58,280
what

1887
00:23:58,280 --> 00:23:58,500
that

1888
00:23:58,500 --> 00:23:58,760
this

1889
00:23:58,760 --> 00:23:59,080
means

1890
00:23:59,080 --> 00:23:59,320
just

1891
00:23:59,320 --> 00:23:59,540
said

1892
00:23:59,540 --> 00:23:59,660
you

1893
00:23:59,660 --> 00:23:59,820
need

1894
00:23:59,820 --> 00:23:59,880
to

1895
00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:00,060
get rid

1896
00:24:00,060 --> 00:24:00,100
of

1897
00:24:00,100 --> 00:24:00,180
the

1898
00:24:00,180 --> 00:24:00,300
main

1899
00:24:00,300 --> 00:24:00,500
frame

1900
00:24:00,500 --> 00:24:01,360
and

1901
00:24:01,360 --> 00:24:01,600
like

1902
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:02,780
nobody

1903
00:24:02,780 --> 00:24:03,120
else

1904
00:24:03,120 --> 00:24:03,220
in

1905
00:24:03,220 --> 00:24:03,300
the

1906
00:24:03,300 --> 00:24:03,540
technical

1907
00:24:03,540 --> 00:24:03,760
side

1908
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:04,020
agreed

1909
00:24:04,020 --> 00:24:04,140
with

1910
00:24:04,140 --> 00:24:04,240
the

1911
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:04,540
decision

1912
00:24:04,540 --> 00:24:05,060
so

1913
00:24:05,060 --> 00:24:06,860
okay

1914
00:24:06,860 --> 00:24:07,140
we'll

1915
00:24:07,140 --> 00:24:07,280
get rid

1916
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:07,320
of

1917
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:07,380
the

1918
00:24:07,380 --> 00:24:07,500
main

1919
00:24:07,500 --> 00:24:07,680
frame

1920
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,380
yeah

1921
00:24:09,380 --> 00:24:12,180
so

1922
00:24:12,180 --> 00:24:12,860
you

1923
00:24:12,860 --> 00:24:13,000
know

1924
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:13,180
I

1925
00:24:13,180 --> 00:24:13,340
want

1926
00:24:13,340 --> 00:24:13,440
to

1927
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:14,080
circle

1928
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:14,460
back

1929
00:24:14,460 --> 00:24:14,880
to

1930
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:15,420
my

1931
00:24:15,420 --> 00:24:15,640
first

1932
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:15,980
question

1933
00:24:15,980 --> 00:24:16,180
which

1934
00:24:16,180 --> 00:24:16,360
was

1935
00:24:16,360 --> 00:24:16,780
around

1936
00:24:16,780 --> 00:24:17,340
you

1937
00:24:17,340 --> 00:24:17,420
know

1938
00:24:17,420 --> 00:24:17,720
what's

1939
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:18,080
different

1940
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:18,280
about

1941
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:18,440
the

1942
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:18,600
main

1943
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:18,860
frame

1944
00:24:18,860 --> 00:24:19,080
and

1945
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:19,340
now

1946
00:24:19,340 --> 00:24:19,820
revisit

1947
00:24:19,820 --> 00:24:19,960
it

1948
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:20,040
is

1949
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:20,180
like

1950
00:24:20,180 --> 00:24:20,560
what's

1951
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:20,720
the

1952
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:21,060
same

1953
00:24:21,060 --> 00:24:21,900
what's

1954
00:24:21,900 --> 00:24:22,300
basically

1955
00:24:22,300 --> 00:24:22,680
like

1956
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:22,960
this

1957
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:23,160
is

1958
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:23,400
no

1959
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:23,840
different

1960
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:24,180
in

1961
00:24:24,180 --> 00:24:24,400
this

1962
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:25,020
regard

1963
00:24:25,020 --> 00:24:25,500
this

1964
00:24:25,500 --> 00:24:25,620
is

1965
00:24:25,620 --> 00:24:25,780
no

1966
00:24:25,780 --> 00:24:26,080
different

1967
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:26,280
than

1968
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:26,860
modernizing

1969
00:24:26,860 --> 00:24:27,100
off

1970
00:24:27,100 --> 00:24:27,260
of

1971
00:24:27,260 --> 00:24:27,520
say

1972
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:27,800
you

1973
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:27,980
know

1974
00:24:27,980 --> 00:24:28,440
Java

1975
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:28,700
EE

1976
00:24:28,700 --> 00:24:29,180
or

1977
00:24:29,180 --> 00:24:29,880
just

1978
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:30,120
any

1979
00:24:30,120 --> 00:24:30,300
other

1980
00:24:30,300 --> 00:24:30,460
kind

1981
00:24:30,460 --> 00:24:30,560
of

1982
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:30,880
legacy

1983
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:31,320
workload

1984
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:32,440
you

1985
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:32,640
know

1986
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:33,200
it

1987
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:33,400
gives

1988
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:33,520
you

1989
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:33,620
an

1990
00:24:33,620 --> 00:24:34,340
opportunity

1991
00:24:34,340 --> 00:24:34,580
to

1992
00:24:34,580 --> 00:24:34,700
look

1993
00:24:34,700 --> 00:24:34,820
at

1994
00:24:34,820 --> 00:24:35,920
the

1995
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:36,100
problem

1996
00:24:36,100 --> 00:24:36,360
again

1997
00:24:36,360 --> 00:24:37,980
and

1998
00:24:37,980 --> 00:24:38,180
in

1999
00:24:38,180 --> 00:24:38,280
a

2000
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:44,740
lot

2001
00:24:44,740 --> 00:24:44,800
of

2002
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:44,900
these

2003
00:24:44,900 --> 00:24:45,340
applications

2004
00:24:45,340 --> 00:24:45,680
like

2005
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:45,880
said

2006
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:46,140
10

2007
00:24:46,140 --> 00:24:46,440
20

2008
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:46,780
30

2009
00:24:46,780 --> 00:24:47,100
plus

2010
00:24:47,100 --> 00:24:47,440
years

2011
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:47,660
in

2012
00:24:47,660 --> 00:24:48,020
production

2013
00:24:48,020 --> 00:24:48,960
so

2014
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:49,100
you

2015
00:24:49,100 --> 00:24:49,300
haven't

2016
00:24:49,300 --> 00:24:49,500
really

2017
00:24:49,500 --> 00:24:49,700
had

2018
00:24:49,700 --> 00:24:50,240
the

2019
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:50,540
opportunity

2020
00:24:50,540 --> 00:24:50,740
to

2021
00:24:50,740 --> 00:24:51,120
revisit

2022
00:24:51,120 --> 00:24:51,780
you

2023
00:24:51,780 --> 00:24:51,940
know

2024
00:24:51,940 --> 00:24:52,200
the

2025
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:52,640
architecture

2026
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:52,940
or

2027
00:24:52,940 --> 00:24:53,060
any

2028
00:24:53,060 --> 00:24:53,200
of

2029
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:53,320
this

2030
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:53,620
stuff

2031
00:24:53,620 --> 00:24:54,560
in

2032
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:54,700
that

2033
00:24:54,700 --> 00:24:54,860
amount

2034
00:24:54,860 --> 00:24:54,980
of

2035
00:24:54,980 --> 00:24:55,280
time

2036
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:56,140
it's

2037
00:24:56,140 --> 00:24:56,260
no

2038
00:24:56,260 --> 00:24:56,480
different

2039
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:56,780
than

2040
00:24:56,780 --> 00:24:56,980
you

2041
00:24:56,980 --> 00:24:57,060
know

2042
00:24:57,060 --> 00:24:57,280
taking

2043
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:57,540
your

2044
00:24:57,540 --> 00:24:58,100
your

2045
00:24:58,100 --> 00:24:58,560
application

2046
00:24:58,560 --> 00:24:59,460
from

2047
00:24:59,460 --> 00:25:01,740
Java

2048
00:25:01,740 --> 00:25:02,020
EE

2049
00:25:02,020 --> 00:25:02,480
with

2050
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:03,460
running

2051
00:25:03,460 --> 00:25:03,580
an

2052
00:25:03,580 --> 00:25:03,940
application

2053
00:25:03,940 --> 00:25:04,280
server

2054
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:05,400
you've

2055
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:05,500
been

2056
00:25:05,500 --> 00:25:05,860
maintaining

2057
00:25:05,860 --> 00:25:06,060
that

2058
00:25:06,060 --> 00:25:06,240
for

2059
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:06,760
five

2060
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:07,000
ten

2061
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:07,220
years

2062
00:25:07,220 --> 00:25:07,420
let's

2063
00:25:07,420 --> 00:25:07,620
say

2064
00:25:07,620 --> 00:25:08,420
it's

2065
00:25:08,420 --> 00:25:08,680
still

2066
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:08,920
that

2067
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:09,160
that

2068
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:09,580
green

2069
00:25:09,580 --> 00:25:10,340
not necessarily

2070
00:25:10,340 --> 00:25:10,640
green

2071
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:10,880
field

2072
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:11,160
but it's

2073
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:11,260
the

2074
00:25:11,260 --> 00:25:11,600
opportunity

2075
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:12,120
to

2076
00:25:12,120 --> 00:25:12,820
to

2077
00:25:12,820 --> 00:25:14,140
update

2078
00:25:14,140 --> 00:25:14,660
you know

2079
00:25:14,660 --> 00:25:15,020
you get

2080
00:25:15,020 --> 00:25:15,240
that

2081
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:15,800
that green

2082
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:16,260
that clean

2083
00:25:16,260 --> 00:25:16,500
slate

2084
00:25:16,500 --> 00:25:16,760
again

2085
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:17,560
which

2086
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:17,740
you don't

2087
00:25:17,740 --> 00:25:17,920
always

2088
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:18,680
which is

2089
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:19,500
a great

2090
00:25:19,500 --> 00:25:19,900
thing to

2091
00:25:19,900 --> 00:25:20,260
have

2092
00:25:20,260 --> 00:25:20,800
anytime

2093
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:21,040
you write

2094
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:21,120
an

2095
00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:21,520
application

2096
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:22,640
where

2097
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:22,800
have

2098
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:23,160
you seen

2099
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:23,440
that

2100
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:23,700
kind

2101
00:25:23,700 --> 00:25:24,160
of

2102
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:25,340
just

2103
00:25:25,340 --> 00:25:26,440
really

2104
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:27,260
blossom

2105
00:25:27,260 --> 00:25:27,960
in a

2106
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:28,640
in a

2107
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:29,400
lovely

2108
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:29,800
way

2109
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:30,180
right

2110
00:25:30,180 --> 00:25:30,440
like

2111
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:30,620
where

2112
00:25:30,620 --> 00:25:30,900
that

2113
00:25:30,900 --> 00:25:31,440
taking

2114
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:31,600
the

2115
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:31,940
opportunity

2116
00:25:31,940 --> 00:25:32,120
to

2117
00:25:32,120 --> 00:25:32,400
revisit

2118
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:33,200
has

2119
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:33,600
actually

2120
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:34,320
yielded

2121
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:35,120
a

2122
00:25:35,120 --> 00:25:35,740
real

2123
00:25:35,740 --> 00:25:36,440
you know

2124
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:36,920
business

2125
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:37,420
outcome

2126
00:25:37,420 --> 00:25:37,820
because

2127
00:25:37,820 --> 00:25:38,140
they were

2128
00:25:38,140 --> 00:25:38,300
like

2129
00:25:38,300 --> 00:25:38,500
wow

2130
00:25:38,500 --> 00:25:38,740
we

2131
00:25:38,740 --> 00:25:39,560
we

2132
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:40,140
hadn't

2133
00:25:40,140 --> 00:25:40,380
even

2134
00:25:40,380 --> 00:25:42,340
broached

2135
00:25:42,340 --> 00:25:42,860
the idea

2136
00:25:42,860 --> 00:25:43,360
of

2137
00:25:43,360 --> 00:25:44,140
being able

2138
00:25:44,140 --> 00:25:44,320
to

2139
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:44,920
build

2140
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:45,240
something

2141
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:45,460
that

2142
00:25:45,460 --> 00:25:46,020
you know

2143
00:25:46,020 --> 00:25:46,240
now

2144
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:46,380
is

2145
00:25:46,380 --> 00:25:46,700
actually

2146
00:25:46,700 --> 00:25:47,900
helping

2147
00:25:47,900 --> 00:25:48,060
us

2148
00:25:48,060 --> 00:25:48,320
grow

2149
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:48,580
adding

2150
00:25:48,580 --> 00:25:48,780
new

2151
00:25:48,780 --> 00:25:49,000
revenue

2152
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:49,300
or

2153
00:25:49,300 --> 00:25:49,720
helping

2154
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:49,840
us

2155
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:50,160
compete

2156
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:50,280
or

2157
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:50,620
something

2158
00:25:50,620 --> 00:25:51,180
I can

2159
00:25:51,180 --> 00:25:51,280
think

2160
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:51,480
of one

2161
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:51,800
example

2162
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:52,120
where

2163
00:25:52,120 --> 00:25:53,080
you know

2164
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:53,200
they're

2165
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:53,520
looking for

2166
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:53,680
better

2167
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:53,920
faster

2168
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:54,280
cheaper

2169
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:54,780
was the

2170
00:25:54,780 --> 00:25:54,880
way

2171
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:55,660
they came

2172
00:25:55,660 --> 00:25:55,880
to us

2173
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:56,300
with it

2174
00:25:56,300 --> 00:25:57,040
they had

2175
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:57,820
the same

2176
00:25:57,820 --> 00:25:58,300
concerns

2177
00:25:58,300 --> 00:25:58,720
you know

2178
00:25:58,720 --> 00:25:59,880
my developers

2179
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:00,480
don't know

2180
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:01,300
java

2181
00:26:01,300 --> 00:26:04,200
and then

2182
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:04,860
we were able

2183
00:26:04,860 --> 00:26:05,100
to get

2184
00:26:05,100 --> 00:26:05,440
them

2185
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:05,720
you know

2186
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:06,260
they knew

2187
00:26:06,260 --> 00:26:07,120
enough java

2188
00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:07,640
they had

2189
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:08,040
other developers

2190
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:08,340
that knew

2191
00:26:08,340 --> 00:26:09,080
enough java

2192
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:09,880
where they

2193
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:10,220
could be

2194
00:26:10,220 --> 00:26:10,600
productive

2195
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:10,940
but they're

2196
00:26:10,940 --> 00:26:11,100
like

2197
00:26:11,100 --> 00:26:11,460
they don't

2198
00:26:11,460 --> 00:26:11,600
know

2199
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:11,840
spring

2200
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:12,700
so

2201
00:26:12,700 --> 00:26:13,780
and

2202
00:26:13,780 --> 00:26:14,640
by getting

2203
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:15,240
that ball

2204
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:15,760
rolling

2205
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:16,400
you know

2206
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:16,720
once they

2207
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:17,280
got comfortable

2208
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:18,380
in the

2209
00:26:18,380 --> 00:26:18,720
architecture

2210
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:19,160
we gave

2211
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:19,420
them

2212
00:26:19,420 --> 00:26:19,660
then

2213
00:26:19,660 --> 00:26:20,140
the next

2214
00:26:20,140 --> 00:26:20,720
step was

2215
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:21,420
getting them

2216
00:26:21,420 --> 00:26:21,700
comfortable

2217
00:26:21,700 --> 00:26:22,200
spraying

2218
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:22,600
and it

2219
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:22,720
just

2220
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:22,900
kind

2221
00:26:22,900 --> 00:26:23,060
of

2222
00:26:23,060 --> 00:26:23,900
blossomed

2223
00:26:23,900 --> 00:26:24,100
from

2224
00:26:24,100 --> 00:26:24,380
there

2225
00:26:24,380 --> 00:26:26,020
what else

2226
00:26:26,020 --> 00:26:27,080
is the

2227
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:27,400
same

2228
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:27,780
in your

2229
00:26:27,780 --> 00:26:28,400
experience

2230
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:28,860
with

2231
00:26:28,860 --> 00:26:29,200
just

2232
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:30,080
other

2233
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:30,340
kinds

2234
00:26:30,340 --> 00:26:30,560
of

2235
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:31,140
modernization

2236
00:26:31,140 --> 00:26:31,560
efforts

2237
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:32,400
you know

2238
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:32,620
where

2239
00:26:32,620 --> 00:26:33,100
the end

2240
00:26:33,100 --> 00:26:33,460
result

2241
00:26:33,460 --> 00:26:34,160
the end

2242
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:35,000
tool set

2243
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,680
you know

2244
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:37,420
you end up

2245
00:26:37,420 --> 00:26:37,900
with

2246
00:26:37,900 --> 00:26:39,700
a tool

2247
00:26:39,700 --> 00:26:39,960
chain

2248
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:40,260
that is

2249
00:26:40,260 --> 00:26:40,920
familiar

2250
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:41,500
to anybody

2251
00:26:41,500 --> 00:26:41,880
who's been

2252
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:42,200
through those

2253
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:42,560
before

2254
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:43,400
you know

2255
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:44,200
the modern

2256
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:44,780
platforms

2257
00:26:44,780 --> 00:26:45,260
the spring

2258
00:26:45,260 --> 00:26:45,480
based

2259
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:45,900
tooling

2260
00:26:45,900 --> 00:26:46,800
all that

2261
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:47,320
those kinds

2262
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:47,840
of things

2263
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,100
the end

2264
00:26:49,100 --> 00:26:49,480
what it

2265
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:49,800
looks like

2266
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:50,040
in the

2267
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:50,240
end

2268
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:50,580
is very

2269
00:26:50,580 --> 00:26:50,880
familiar

2270
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:51,320
to anybody

2271
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:51,660
who's been

2272
00:26:51,660 --> 00:26:52,080
through that

2273
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:53,420
which is

2274
00:26:53,420 --> 00:26:53,640
nice

2275
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:54,040
because

2276
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:54,740
you can

2277
00:26:54,740 --> 00:26:55,120
typically

2278
00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:55,560
take

2279
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:55,940
you know

2280
00:26:55,940 --> 00:26:56,360
resources

2281
00:26:56,360 --> 00:26:56,740
that have

2282
00:26:56,740 --> 00:26:57,140
been working

2283
00:26:57,140 --> 00:26:57,500
on let's

2284
00:26:57,500 --> 00:26:57,700
say

2285
00:26:57,700 --> 00:26:58,580
any other

2286
00:26:58,580 --> 00:26:59,260
modernization

2287
00:26:59,260 --> 00:27:00,400
project like

2288
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:00,680
this

2289
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:01,900
and get

2290
00:27:01,900 --> 00:27:02,520
them embedded

2291
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:03,300
in these

2292
00:27:03,300 --> 00:27:03,660
teams

2293
00:27:03,660 --> 00:27:04,580
relatively

2294
00:27:04,580 --> 00:27:05,040
painlessly

2295
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:06,300
you know

2296
00:27:06,300 --> 00:27:06,620
it's not

2297
00:27:06,620 --> 00:27:06,940
like

2298
00:27:06,940 --> 00:27:09,380
the main

2299
00:27:09,380 --> 00:27:09,680
frame

2300
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:10,480
the end

2301
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:10,980
result is

2302
00:27:10,980 --> 00:27:11,340
fundamentally

2303
00:27:11,340 --> 00:27:11,780
different

2304
00:27:11,780 --> 00:27:12,360
so you

2305
00:27:12,360 --> 00:27:12,840
have to

2306
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:14,300
have different

2307
00:27:14,300 --> 00:27:14,920
developers for

2308
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:15,300
this thing

2309
00:27:15,300 --> 00:27:15,660
no you

2310
00:27:15,660 --> 00:27:15,800
can

2311
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:16,100
recycle

2312
00:27:16,100 --> 00:27:16,380
any

2313
00:27:16,380 --> 00:27:16,500
of

2314
00:27:16,500 --> 00:27:16,580
your

2315
00:27:16,580 --> 00:27:16,960
developers

2316
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:17,320
now

2317
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:17,740
and do

2318
00:27:17,740 --> 00:27:18,040
the same

2319
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,000
and get

2320
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:20,520
them very

2321
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:20,900
productive

2322
00:27:20,900 --> 00:27:21,540
in these

2323
00:27:21,540 --> 00:27:22,040
new tools

2324
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:22,620
very quickly

2325
00:27:22,620 --> 00:27:23,680
you know

2326
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:24,560
whereas before

2327
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:25,360
they really

2328
00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:25,860
couldn't touch

2329
00:27:25,860 --> 00:27:26,340
that whole

2330
00:27:26,340 --> 00:27:26,640
stack

2331
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:27,080
you know

2332
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:27,520
the idea

2333
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:27,980
of having

2334
00:27:27,980 --> 00:27:28,760
your web

2335
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:29,020
apps

2336
00:27:29,020 --> 00:27:29,840
come over

2337
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:30,300
and cranking

2338
00:27:30,300 --> 00:27:30,540
out some

2339
00:27:30,540 --> 00:27:31,080
cobalt code

2340
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:31,520
that probably

2341
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:31,780
wasn't going

2342
00:27:31,780 --> 00:27:32,040
to happen

2343
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:33,700
so now

2344
00:27:33,700 --> 00:27:34,040
you actually

2345
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:34,400
get that

2346
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:34,640
opportunity

2347
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,940
cool

2348
00:27:36,940 --> 00:27:37,740
you've been

2349
00:27:37,740 --> 00:27:38,360
you've been

2350
00:27:38,360 --> 00:27:38,680
kind of

2351
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:39,400
speaking a little

2352
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:40,540
bit about

2353
00:27:40,540 --> 00:27:42,080
batch

2354
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:42,920
and mainframe

2355
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:43,560
modernization

2356
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:44,240
lately

2357
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:44,780
we're

2358
00:27:44,780 --> 00:27:45,160
where can

2359
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:45,580
folks

2360
00:27:45,580 --> 00:27:46,140
find

2361
00:27:46,140 --> 00:27:46,500
more

2362
00:27:46,500 --> 00:27:46,780
stuff

2363
00:27:46,780 --> 00:27:46,960
from

2364
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:47,180
you

2365
00:27:47,180 --> 00:27:47,500
or

2366
00:27:47,500 --> 00:27:47,980
where

2367
00:27:47,980 --> 00:27:48,060
are you

2368
00:27:48,060 --> 00:27:48,180
going to

2369
00:27:48,180 --> 00:27:48,660
be speaking

2370
00:27:48,660 --> 00:27:51,100
this spring

2371
00:27:51,100 --> 00:27:52,860
and where

2372
00:27:52,860 --> 00:27:53,080
can they

2373
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:53,540
follow you

2374
00:27:53,540 --> 00:27:54,320
sure

2375
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:54,660
so I'll

2376
00:27:54,660 --> 00:27:54,860
be at

2377
00:27:54,860 --> 00:27:55,320
dev nexus

2378
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:55,980
in March

2379
00:27:55,980 --> 00:27:57,360
I will

2380
00:27:57,360 --> 00:27:58,320
be at

2381
00:27:58,320 --> 00:27:59,120
I'll be

2382
00:27:59,120 --> 00:27:59,400
doing a

2383
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:00,000
couple stops

2384
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:00,280
on the

2385
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:00,620
spring

2386
00:28:00,620 --> 00:28:01,980
one tour

2387
00:28:01,980 --> 00:28:04,860
and then

2388
00:28:04,860 --> 00:28:05,760
I'm also

2389
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:06,300
on twitter

2390
00:28:06,300 --> 00:28:06,760
obviously

2391
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:07,340
at michael

2392
00:28:07,340 --> 00:28:07,600
manella

2393
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:08,280
and I'm

2394
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:08,520
also on

2395
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:08,700
another

2396
00:28:08,700 --> 00:28:09,060
podcast

2397
00:28:09,060 --> 00:28:09,340
called

2398
00:28:09,340 --> 00:28:09,780
off heap

2399
00:28:09,780 --> 00:28:10,220
it's a

2400
00:28:10,220 --> 00:28:10,380
java

2401
00:28:10,380 --> 00:28:10,680
off heap

2402
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:11,600
it's a

2403
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:11,880
pundit

2404
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:12,240
podcast

2405
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:12,620
so if

2406
00:28:12,620 --> 00:28:12,800
you want

2407
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:13,080
to hear

2408
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:14,560
a bunch

2409
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:14,940
of guys

2410
00:28:14,940 --> 00:28:15,680
in a bar

2411
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:16,500
talking about

2412
00:28:16,500 --> 00:28:16,780
the latest

2413
00:28:16,780 --> 00:28:17,000
on the

2414
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:17,440
jvm

2415
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:18,040
check that

2416
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:18,220
out

2417
00:28:18,220 --> 00:28:18,700
all right

2418
00:28:18,700 --> 00:28:19,100
that's

2419
00:28:19,100 --> 00:28:19,840
that's

2420
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:20,040
helpful

2421
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:21,100
thank you

2422
00:28:21,100 --> 00:28:21,700
yeah

2423
00:28:21,700 --> 00:28:22,120
I got a book

2424
00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:22,380
coming out

2425
00:28:22,380 --> 00:28:22,700
later this

2426
00:28:22,700 --> 00:28:22,880
year

2427
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:23,640
it's

2428
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,140
the definitive

2429
00:28:25,140 --> 00:28:25,820
guide to

2430
00:28:25,820 --> 00:28:26,320
spring batch

2431
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:27,300
so it'll

2432
00:28:27,300 --> 00:28:27,560
be out

2433
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:27,980
later this

2434
00:28:27,980 --> 00:28:28,160
year

2435
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:29,160
it's

2436
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:29,940
an update

2437
00:28:29,940 --> 00:28:30,160
to my

2438
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:30,440
previous

2439
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:30,780
book

2440
00:28:30,780 --> 00:28:31,940
all the

2441
00:28:31,940 --> 00:28:32,460
examples

2442
00:28:32,460 --> 00:28:32,720
will be

2443
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:33,220
bootified

2444
00:28:33,220 --> 00:28:34,220
and there's

2445
00:28:34,220 --> 00:28:35,000
even a chapter

2446
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,100
on cloud

2447
00:28:36,100 --> 00:28:36,580
native batch

2448
00:28:36,580 --> 00:28:36,940
development

2449
00:28:36,940 --> 00:28:38,380
so check

2450
00:28:38,380 --> 00:28:38,620
it out

2451
00:28:38,620 --> 00:28:39,100
okay

2452
00:28:39,100 --> 00:28:39,980
all right

2453
00:28:39,980 --> 00:28:40,300
great well

2454
00:28:40,300 --> 00:28:40,600
thanks for

2455
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:40,980
joining us

2456
00:28:40,980 --> 00:28:41,420
appreciate it

2457
00:28:41,420 --> 00:28:41,880
we'll include

2458
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:42,640
links to all

2459
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:43,040
those great

2460
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:43,660
resources of

2461
00:28:43,660 --> 00:28:44,540
course in

2462
00:28:44,540 --> 00:28:44,940
the show

2463
00:28:44,940 --> 00:28:45,280
notes