1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,000 We are at Sun's Menlo Park location once again and I guess the Sun living room here. 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:10,000 We've got another special guest with us. Would you like to introduce yourself? 3 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:17,000 Sure. I'm Nandini Romani from Sun Microsystems. I'm Director of Engineering for JavaFX platform. 4 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:23,000 So like what can you like bring us up to date from sort of the last Java 1 there were a bunch of JavaFX things going on. 5 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:28,000 Some people jokingly called it JavaFX 1. So like what's been going on in the interim? 6 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,000 Like what's the state of the JavaFX world at the moment? 7 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:41,000 So at Java 1 we, last Java 1 we launched it and we had a lot of things to do on mobile and desktop, the browser, a lot of those pieces. 8 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:50,000 And this Java 1 in 2008, a lot of those pieces came together. So we do have browser, in the browser deployment, on the desktop. 9 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:56,000 We also have it on running on mobile. So we have this concept of JavaFX for all screens of your life. 10 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:02,000 And so we haven't gotten to all the screens yet, but we certainly can cover desktop, browser and mobile. 11 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:09,000 One of the big news items, of course, is next week, July 31st, we're going to be launching our preview SDK. 12 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:16,000 So it's a public launch and everyone can start downloading and playing with the SDK and creating these applications. 13 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:25,000 The mobile version and other 1.0 and mobile will follow. So the preview SDK will run on desktop and browser. 14 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,000 So what are you guys pulling together into this preview SDK? 15 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:47,000 Sure. It's going to have essentially two things. One is the NetBean 6.1 IDE with JavaFX support and Project Nile, which is a tool that lets you export creative assets from design tools to JavaFX. 16 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:53,000 So one of the difficult things is when I want to create something that's really fancy with a lot of vector art. 17 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,000 It's hard to do just using coding language. 18 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:56,000 Right. 19 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:57,000 Impossible, nearly. 20 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:02,000 And so it lets designers participate in JavaFX, which is one of the fundamental things we're trying to achieve. 21 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:09,000 With, I mean, obviously it's a preview, but sort of with this tool chain that's coming out, like what would be the typical process for designing something? 22 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:19,000 The idea is, so you start with a design tool. For instance, we have the two third-party tools that we support right now are Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator. 23 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:29,000 So it lets you create artwork and vector graphics. You export it as JavaFX code, import it into your NetBeans IDE, for instance. 24 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:39,000 And most of this is static. They're static layers of assets. You can then script in using JavaFX script, animations, dynamic behavior to your scene. 25 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,000 Right. So I guess there's a plug-in into Photoshop or Illustrator. 26 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:48,000 Yes, there is. There's two plug-ins right now in the preview, and we're going to, at 1.0, have more tools that we support. 27 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:49,000 Okay. 28 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,000 So today it's just Photoshop and Illustrator that we have plug-ins. 29 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:59,000 And then there, is there sort of a round trip sort of thing to that? Like if you need to redesign some things, can you get it back into Photoshop? 30 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:06,000 You can take what you have from, we don't have a round trip, but you can certainly modify things and bring it back into the IDE. 31 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:07,000 Okay. Right. 32 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:12,000 And it's pretty trivial because there's a clear separation between the code and the art. 33 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:13,000 Right. 34 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:25,000 So like if I replace the artwork, as long as I layered it the same and retain the names, which it does because the export plug-in deals with that, it's trivial to bring it back in. 35 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:30,000 And we showed demos of that where you can change the artwork and retain the code as well. 36 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:35,000 That raises an interesting question as far as, I mean, you know, coming at it from a Java traditionalist mindset. 37 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:41,000 I mean, there's kind of like a new artifact of development, like these resources or artwork things that you're talking about. 38 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:42,000 Yes. 39 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:46,000 And so does the SDK sort of help you deal with that? 40 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,000 I mean, how does it kind of help you fool around that? 41 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,000 So the NetBeans IDE just lets you import everything. 42 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:57,000 So you export out of the third party tool, you import it in and it creates a project, JavaFX project for you. 43 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:58,000 Right. 44 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:05,000 And you can just run it as is and you'll see the same static image scene that you had on Illustrator or Photoshop. 45 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:11,000 And then you already have the JavaFX code so you didn't have to create the scene. 46 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:17,000 For instance, you know, if you take a piece of cartoony thing where you have people in motion or something, 47 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:24,000 you can then move somebody's arms and legs and things with a little bit of script code because you have access to individual layers. 48 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:25,000 Right, right. 49 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,000 And you can apply transformations. 50 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,000 This is all new in Java. 51 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:35,000 Today you have to do everything in Java code and there isn't the concept of having importing assets. 52 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,000 So you can sort of programmatically move around the pictures. 53 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:38,000 Yes. 54 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,000 And things like that to like get the arms flailing around. 55 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:42,000 Yeah, exactly. 56 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:43,000 Right. 57 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:50,000 And because it's, JavaFX script has, it's declarative, it makes it simple to do these things with a few lines of code. 58 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:51,000 Right. 59 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:55,000 As opposed to writing lots and having, handling events and threads and things. 60 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:59,000 And then of course you have access to the, all the other NetBeans world of things, right? 61 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:00,000 Yes. 62 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,000 As far as version control and things like that. 63 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:02,000 Yes. 64 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,000 IDE support, code completion, all of the good stuff that NetBeans provides. 65 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:05,000 Right. 66 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,000 And then I'm always obsessed with the workflow of things. 67 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:12,000 But like, so what's this next step that we've got the arms, you know, going around all crazy? 68 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:16,000 Like how, with the SDK, how do you sort of like package it up and deploy it? 69 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:20,000 So you can either deploy it as JNLP or as an applet. 70 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:27,000 And now with the new 6U10 beta release, it's got all these really nice features. 71 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:28,000 And that's the VM6 release. 72 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:29,000 Yes. 73 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:30,000 Right, right, right. 74 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:35,000 And so the run, the first, one of the things that I forgot to mention, and I've talked about this before at Java 1. 75 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:36,000 Right, right. 76 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,000 JavaFX runs and leverages the Java runtime. 77 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:40,000 Right. 78 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:44,000 So it's based on that and you automatically inherit everything from Java. 79 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:52,000 And the 6U10 beta lets you, for instance, it brings this capability, you deploy it from NetBeans as an applet. 80 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,000 And you can run this in a browser. 81 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:59,000 And say you really like the application, you can drag it off the browser onto your desktop. 82 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:00,000 Right. 83 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,000 And continue to have a standalone application. 84 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:03,000 Right. 85 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,000 So that's your chain. 86 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,000 I hope I'm addressing what you're asking. 87 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,000 Yeah, yeah, sure. 88 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:13,000 So you start with a third party tool, bring it into NetBeans, and then deploy the application. 89 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:22,000 And today the preview SDK will let you do that as a desktop jar on your desktop or as a JNLP or applet so you can deploy it in a browser. 90 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:23,000 Right, that makes sense. 91 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:24,000 And so... 92 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:30,000 And going forward, we will also support mobile phones where we'll let you deploy as a midlet or whatever. 93 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,000 Or whatever packaging scheme they might have. 94 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,000 Right, right. 95 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:40,000 So you envision with, whether it's with mobile or whatever screen might be out there, will you have sort of like an emulator or a way of simulating things to deal with? 96 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:41,000 Yes. 97 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:47,000 And so our tool chain, we currently have two things, the NetBeans ID and the Project Nile tool. 98 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:52,000 But going forward, we will have more mobile specific, TV is another one. 99 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:56,000 There's so many of these where we'll have tool chains that simplify how you deploy. 100 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:57,000 Right. 101 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:58,000 That makes sense. 102 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:04,000 So, so far, what sort of, what sort of applications or whatever have you seen people building with JavaFX? 103 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:05,000 Like what are people using it for? 104 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:11,000 So far, well, they're creating little widgets for doing, you know, monitoring the weather service for instance. 105 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:12,000 Yeah. 106 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:15,000 People are using it for games, small games. 107 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:22,000 And then there's also, you know, fancy things with video and audio and that's what designers really want to do. 108 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:23,000 Yeah. 109 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:29,000 With the preview, we have some support for video and going forward at 1.0 we'll have full-fledged media support. 110 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:30,000 Right. 111 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,000 So I think it's going to open the door for really interesting applications. 112 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:33,000 Great. 113 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:34,000 Well, we should check out a demo of it. 114 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:35,000 Sure, yeah. 115 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:36,000 Sounds good.